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post #1531 of 2934
I have a KitchenAid dishwasher that came with my house. The piece of shit just won't clean dishes properly, I've tried vinegar, bleach, you name it, I think it's just a bad design.

Throwing in the towel, I'm looking for some dishwasher recommendations, any thoughts?
post #1532 of 2934
My understanding is that newer dishwashers don't dry dishes well because of energy use regulations. Another thing to thank the government for like your faucet that takes several minutes to fill a pot.

But maybe I'm wrong about that, though I've never met anyone who was satisfied with 'em.
post #1533 of 2934
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I have a ~2 y/o KitchenAid and it dries just fine. Heated dry cycle and everything.

Many of the Bosch units however, to my understanding, lack such a cycle by design. You're supposed to crack the door when it's done and let the residual heat of the tub do the drying or some such nonsense.

Reminds me of a friend's Bosch washer/dryer machine I used ~15 years ago in Vienna. This thing was, I guess, uber-energy-efficient but clothes would come out of it impossibly wrinkled. It was the weirdest thing; the wrinkles were so set-in you couldn't iron them out.
post #1534 of 2934
My parents have a new-ish (probably 4 years old) KitchenAid dishwasher. It dries very well.

The one in my apartment is probably 10+ years old and does a surprisingly good wash.
post #1535 of 2934
I thought the heated dry cycle wasn't very good for a lot of things (in addition to wasting energy)

I have never used it on any of the shitty dishwashers that have come in my apartments and the next morning, the dishes are dry. There might be a couple drops left on top of a coffee mug, and plastic things are still a bit wet (since they don't retain the heat from the wash), but I'm not a plastic-cup-using pleb so it's not a big deal.
Cracking the door makes it happen even faster.

In what way are your dishes not coming out clean? A lot of people use way too much soap (if you are filling the container, you are probably using too much) which totally messes everything up. I switched to those Cascade Complete packs (didn't like the non-complete version) and they usually leave my dishes clean and residue free...even in my bottom of the line landlord-special.
post #1536 of 2934
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A lot of people use way too much soap (if you are filling the container, you are probably using too much) which totally messes everything up.
My wife used to do that. Then one day she used so much soap that the little flippy dispenser door thing jammed itself shut and the entire load of dishes was laughably grody. Since then, dishes have been spotless. We now buy dishwashing detergent half as often. Stubborn spouse who changes her ways in the face of evidence = flawless victory.

We have just about the cheapest possible GE faux-stainless Home Depot house-flipper model and it works just fine.
post #1537 of 2934
Back to the general topic of the thread, I've been piddling around with the garage, putting in pegboard and trying to tidy up a little -- not that I really need to with 1300+ square feet of ground-level garage space, but it's nice to get junk off the floor. Anyway, I can recommend these things:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002IGHKM



Made by HyLoft and sold by Lowes and Home Depot, in addition to Amazon (but A has a better price and free shipping/no tax for me).

It's not super strong, but sturdy enough for the sort of weight you should be hanging from your ceiling (not very much). You can link them together and they're fairly flexible with regard to where your ceiling joists are. Hyloft also makes hooks to hang things under the racks, like bicycles or yard tools (easier than hanging from a wall). But the real niche is over the garage door. The height is adjustable, and you only need 17" of clearance from the top of the door (which is NOT the track; measure it carefully). They'd also be useful to store things over the top or sides of cars if you have a small garage.
post #1538 of 2934
In my last house, I built a shelf that looked like this:



It spanned the whole garage and was supported by the walls and threaded rod run into the attic. But obviously you need a lot of clearance over the door to do something like that.
post #1539 of 2934
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My wife used to do that. Then one day she used so much soap that the little flippy dispenser door thing jammed itself shut and the entire load of dishes was laughably grody. Since then, dishes have been spotless. We now buy dishwashing detergent half as often. Stubborn spouse who changes her ways in the face of evidence = flawless victory.

We have just about the cheapest possible GE faux-stainless Home Depot house-flipper model and it works just fine.

Ugh, my brother put dish soap in once. There was foam and soap and water all over the kitchen floor.
post #1540 of 2934
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In what way are your dishes not coming out clean? A lot of people use way too much soap (if you are filling the container, you are probably using too much) which totally messes everything up. I switched to those Cascade Complete packs (didn't like the non-complete version) and they usually leave my dishes clean and residue free...even in my bottom of the line landlord-special.

I've read that. I've tried overfilling and underfilling the soap. Same result. Its mainly the top that has the problem. I just think the unit doesn't have a good system for cleaning the dishes on the top rack. They are always dirty and sometimes have a film.

I've always had this problem, its just worse now. I have to wash on the endless super 4 hour cycle too, otherwise I might as well wash by hand.

Also, I've removed the top rack, the thing that spins and jets water, cleaned, cleaned, bleached, everything. It just won't function properly.
post #1541 of 2934
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I've read that. I've tried overfilling and underfilling the soap. Same result. Its mainly the top that has the problem. I just think the unit doesn't have a good system for cleaning the dishes on the top rack. They are always dirty and sometimes have a film.

I've always had this problem, its just worse now. I have to wash on the endless super 4 hour cycle too, otherwise I might as well wash by hand.

Also, I've removed the top rack, the thing that spins and jets water, cleaned, cleaned, bleached, everything. It just won't function properly.

Loading problems? Not to accuse you, but you'd be surprised how many people load their dishwashers in absolutely moronic ways. The bottom is for vertical plates (and similar). If you've got bowls or baking dishes laying flat down there, the top stuff isn't going to get clean...the extra "top sprayers" help, but you need some clear flow through the machine. A lot of newer diswashers have real full sized spinny things for the top rack that have a separate water feed...these may work better (but aren't what you have).

And the little packs/pods really did improve my overall dishwasher results...
post #1542 of 2934
The dirty sides should also face the center of the dishwasher.
post #1543 of 2934
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

Loading problems? Not to accuse you, but you'd be surprised how many people load their dishwashers in absolutely moronic ways. The bottom is for vertical plates (and similar). If you've got bowls or baking dishes laying flat down there, the top stuff isn't going to get clean...the extra "top sprayers" help, but you need some clear flow through the machine. A lot of newer diswashers have real full sized spinny things for the top rack that have a separate water feed...these may work better (but aren't what you have).

And the little packs/pods really did improve my overall dishwasher results...

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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

The dirty sides should also face the center of the dishwasher.


Its happened so many times that its impossible its a loading issue. I do tend to pack it in, but I have experimented with a virtually empty wash just to see and it was the same shitty result.

I really wish this were my fault, but I don't believe it is. I mean, fuck, I have better things to spend $1000 on.
post #1544 of 2934
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

In my last house, I built a shelf that looked like this:



It spanned the whole garage and was supported by the walls and threaded rod run into the attic. But obviously you need a lot of clearance over the door to do something like that.

Why do you have so much stuff???
post #1545 of 2934
That's not an actual picture of the shelf I built, just one like it I found on the internet. Well, actually, I modeled it after pictures on the internet. But you know what I mean.

It's mostly seasonal stuff, infrequently used tools, and things related to various hobbies. There are a lot of things you can't do (or do well) without space to work and store things.
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