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post #511 of 751
Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Re 1st paragraph. I think there are a lot of hominids which are missing from the puzzle. None of the paths I see make much sense save for Giganticopithicus.

2nd paragraph, its discouraging. I doubt he just stole a march in the jungle quick and easy but your point is taken.

Well, I did say "...after considerable effort and hardship."
The response I have is that the Sasquatch is nocturnal, is much more intelligent than the gorilla, and has learned to hide from humans. If its proven to be real, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a period where it presented itself openly to humans, that is until a few got their asses eaten for lunch and then it learned to stay away and that homo sapiens are to be feared. Now its instinctual.

Given that gorillas, given the testing performed on the famous Koko and other captive gorillas, seem to have IQs about like those of "dull normal" humans, if Sasquatch were "much more intelligent than the gorilla," they would be equal or superior to humans, in which case they would have eaten our asses for lunch long ago and conquered the world! I have made similar points in the past in this thread.
post #512 of 751
Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post

Just finished a couple of books germane to this thread: One was Still Living? Yeti, Sasquatch and the Neanderthal Enigma by Myra Shackley. Dr. Shackley is a very accomplished woman with a Ph.D. in archeology. so her intellectual and scientific credentials seem impeccable. Among other achievements, she is now a priestess in the Church of England. A lot of her book is devoted to the more manlike cryptid hominids of central Asia--particularly the Almas of Mongolia and the Kaptars of the Caucasus region. She makes a very cogent case for their existence and suggests that the Almas/Kaptars might well be surviving Neanderthals. However, her book was published in 1983, and 30 years later, what has turned up? Nothing! Some have argued that the recently discovered Denisovan humans of 30,000 years could be progenitors of the Almas et al., but the Denisonvans seem altogether too human by most accounts.

I have that 1983 book (though titled Wildmen in my UK edition). I hate to cast doubt on the authors academic credentials (I very much enjoyed the book and found it stimulating), but fear that publication may have killed the authors career as an academic archaeologist. I worked as a field archaeologist for the Univeristy at which the author had held her last academic archaeological post. She was there decades before me and I didn't ask, but it seems that following the publication of 'Wildmen' she changed discipline from Archaeology to tourism studies or something else vaguely heritage related. It was a brave thing to do to publish such a controversial book in an area all other academic archaeologists would (in public at least) laugh at. This may just be coincidence, or she may have had her career change planned and thought what the hell I'll publish anyway, but that book was the last thing she published as an archaeologist. I did think there was a lot of interesting material in the book, though the question of some of these wildmen being modern humans cut off from their nearest civilisations and leading more primitive lifestyles could have explained a lot of the anecdotal evidence, the size / hairiness due to selective breeding and lack of grooming maybe? I don't remember the details as it was some time ago I read it, though it certainly left me if not a believer then a sceptic who could still not say such creatures did not exist. For the North American example, I still see three factors that make dismissal of the existence of Bigfoot impossible: First, the small number of individuals required to sustain a breeding population, second the sheer amount of space in which this small number of individuals have to exist and maybe actively hide, and finally the huge amount and lengthy tradition of anecdotal and trail / shelter evidence. Naturally dismissing something as impossible is a long way from proving existence, but I'd love BIgfoot to exist and I'm glad such an intriguing mystery remains.

Edit: I seem to remember her quoting some Russian academic work published on wildmen, though I think Shackley is still the only academic to publish in English on this subject.
post #513 of 751
^Very interesting. I notice that the book under discussion is not included in the bibliography of her work in her Wikipedia bio. If that's why she was run out of her academic field, that's pretty chickenshit although not particularly surprising). I think academics are much more intolerant of scholarly heterodoxy than political crackpotism (as long as it's not right-wing). "Academic freedom" is joke, as I know from painful personal experience.

The Russian scholar whose researches she relied heavily on was one Professor Boris Porshnev.

There have been some English-speaking academics who have written with sympathy and open-mindedness about the possible existence of these creatures. John Napier was one. The two most notable American academicians to champion Bigfoot have been the late Dr. Grover Krantz of Washington State University and Dr. Jeffery Meldrum of Idaho State U.
post #514 of 751
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Fuck, and you wonder why BF stay away from us?

post #515 of 751
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post

Dr. Jeffery Meldrum of Idaho State U.

He's the guy the community leans on nowadays. He's almost messianic. In his defense, its very well spoken and rational about it. He's being deductive and believes the footprint casts are indisputable.
post #516 of 751
Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

He's the guy the community leans on nowadays. He's almost messianic. In his defense, its very well spoken and rational about it. He's being deductive and believes the footprint casts are indisputable.

He's a brave man. If I were a career academic I wouldn't want to go public with my belief that Bigfoot may exist.
post #517 of 751
Re the video with the steer, as one friend of mine who has had a lot of dealings with the police once remarked, "Cops sure love to shoot things that don't shoot back."
post #518 of 751
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^There is indeed a curious blank spot between the Australopithecines and Homo erectus of only about 200,000 years (a short space in evolutionary terms). The Australopithecines seem to have been adapted for a partially arboreal, partially terrestrial existence and perished about 2M years BP. Then, about 1.8M years BP, Erectus appears. With a lot of the modern reconstructions, you could put a ball cap on him, take him into a dimly-lit bar, and most patrons would merely think he was an ill-favored chap of uncertain racial antecedents. Most of the older images made him look much more apish. Much of this depends on how much body and facial hair he actually had, which of course we don't know.

On a completely, different note, I am sure some of you caught the story of Christopher Knight, the Maine hermit. He had lived undetected in a hideout camp only a few hundred yards out in the woods for 27 years and had supported himself by stealing supplies from nearby homes and cabins, committing perhaps more than a thousand burglaries. He would never leave his camp during the winter for fear of leaving a trail in the snow. He had only encountered one man in the course of his forays from his camp. In some ways, his story reminds me of those Japanese soldiers who held out on Pacific islands for more than a quarter-century after the end of WWII.

As you who have followed this thread know, I am very skeptical about the existence of Bigfoot. However, if this guy can exist undetected no great distance from human settlements for 26 years, what can you say about an animal like our hypothetical Bigfoot--a creature of near-human intelligence, probably more cunning and woods-wise and with the keener senses of a wild animal?

HOWEVER, when game cameras were installed in the area a few years ago, the authorities did get a couple of pictures of him. As I have often noted, we have yet to get an unimpeachable photo of a Bigfoot, either from game/trail cameras or any other type of camera.
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post #521 of 751
^Maybe it was a BF, and it was he who set the bombs. If they are as cunning, intelligent and sneaky and idnfl would have us believe, maybe this is the start of their campaign to conquer North America.

On a more serious note, the silhouetted guy on the rooftop does look like a lot of these BF photos that turn up, if not as robust as the famous "Patti."
post #522 of 751
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Wow, if real, its amazing....

post #523 of 751
^Well, if that stuff is the straight goods, which I very much doubt, at the rate that guy is chumming up the Sasquatch, the mystery should be solved very shortly.

On another topic, when we talk about scientists who accepted the existence of Sasquatch and similar man-apes, we must give a tip of the hat to the two men who really founded the discipline (if you want to call it that) of cryptozoology. The first of these would be Ivan T. Sanderson, who took a degree in zoology from Cambridge University and followed it up with additional degrees in botany and ethnology, also from Cambridge. He had a TV show in the 1950s in which he talked about animals--no crypto stuff, as I remember. His book Abominable Snowmen--Legend Come to Life was a very comprehensive look at about these reported critters: the Yet and its cogeners, the Almas, the Kaptars, the Orang Pendek, the Sasquatch/Bigfoot, the Sisimite, the Didi and the Mapinguary, just to name some. However, the better part of a half century has elapsed since he wrote that book, and none of these creatures has yet been scientifically verified.

The other would be Bernard Heuvelmans, who had a doctorate in zoology from the Free University of Brussels. His 1958 book On the Track of Unknown Animals was a favorite of mine in the days of my late adolescence and early adulthood. Again, none of the mystery beasts he discussed has ever been verified.

Sanderson and Heuvelmans were sometime collaborations, most notably in their investigation of the Minnesota Iceman, which has sometimes been discussed in this thread.
post #524 of 751
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^ are books like this still in print?

Check this guy out
post #525 of 751
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Possible Bigfoot knocking down a tree....

From 2:42 to 2:46 there is something moving right next to the tree that eventually falls.

From 4:18 to 4:35 the fall is looped a few times, a biped moves from right to left as the tree is coming down.

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