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Can we justify exotic leather products,

post #1 of 17
1/28/12 at 2:23pm
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I had an interesting conversation with a friend the other day ,we discussed using exotic skins for shoes and wallets etc and how it can be justified or not.I understand croc ,alligator ,ostrich are farmed and their meat is used but is shark , sea turtle sustainable in the world today. Sharks and turtles are under threat so are rays, how do fellow members feel about using this as a material can't we make do with other leathers.
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post #2 of 17
1/28/12 at 2:36pm
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post #3 of 17
1/28/12 at 2:39pm
Sea turtle is verboten in most countries today. Shark is harvested for the flesh, might as well make use of the skin.
Years ago, I was in Tortola with my ex-wife and ordered a delicious filet of sea turtle without thinking. She looked at me in horror. I asked what was wrong and she replied that it was an endangered species. I had forgotten that the BVI was not a signatory to the Endangered Species Act. I rationalized my meal by stating that, since turtle is harvested primarily for its shell, someone should eat the meat. Circular, no?
Please do not mention alligator again lest you awaken MikeDT who has trouble distinguishing between the American and Chinese varieties.
EDIT: BTW, there are several existing threads on this topic if you care to dig them up.
Edited by KObalto - 1/28/12 at 2:58pm
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post #4 of 17
1/28/12 at 2:57pm
I believe this was discussed a year or more ago but the thread title escapes me.
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post #5 of 17
1/28/12 at 3:38pm
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Sorry if I have revived a subject that has been talked about before.I agree sea turtle is not common these days but it is still is available in Europe on occasion from the SE Asian market.From my limited knowledge it seem that shark is fished mainly for fins and the meat is not sought after in the main. The market in the rest of the world may be different but shark as I understand it are not a sustainable fish worldwide.I am only asking for a general opinon and I am not looking to judge others views, conversation is a part of life.
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post #6 of 17
1/28/12 at 3:54pm
It's simple, don't buy what you don't like.

Also, this is some bull:

"I am only asking for a general opinon and I am not looking to judge others views, conversation is a part of life".
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post #7 of 17
1/28/12 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by mr monty View Post

It's simple, don't buy what you don't like.
Also, this is some bull:
"I am only asking for a general opinon and I am not looking to judge others views, conversation is a part of life".[/quote
Thanks mr monty for your response I agree buy what you like but I didn't say I was again anyone using these leathers only that they may be in short supply in the coming years.I meant that a conversation is a good way of understanding a debate not to be a bs as you said I came over.Still think it is a valid thread the world is changing and we could influence it if we want to.
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post #8 of 17
1/28/12 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by KObalto View Post

Years ago, I was in Tortola with my ex-wife and ordered a delicious filet of sea turtle without thinking. She looked at me in horror. I asked what was wrong and she replied that it was an endangered species. I had forgotten that the BVI was not a signatory to the Endangered Species Act. I rationalized my meal by stating that, since turtle is harvested primarily for its shell, someone should eat the meat. Circular, no?

Was it good?
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post #9 of 17
1/28/12 at 5:10pm
Wouldn't a lot depend on the populations of the individual species?
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post #10 of 17
1/28/12 at 5:14pm
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post

Wouldn't a lot depend on the populations of the individual species?

Not really. $$$ trumps all those restrictions.
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post #11 of 17
1/28/12 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by voxsartoria View Post

There's a flash video floating around somewhere in which one of the Lobbs extols the qualities of elephant leather for shoes.


I think that today, however, the marginal novelty and quality is outweighed by the fact that purchasing it...no matter whether the source is green or horrible...contributes to an environment of demand that overall is contributing to killing these animals off.


It's not black or white. Many of the things that we have or covet involve incremental destruction of those things in nature that are otherwise independent of man. But, unless your aim is to incite others, shoes seems to be a particularly trivial item to welcome social and perhaps ethical grief.


Buy a bag of granola instead. Use the money that you save and take a trip to see these animals in the wild, and celebrate your modest but contributory act of staving off a future where the only large animals are man and the things that he eats.


It goes nearly without saying that I do not refer to fat chicks.



- B
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post #12 of 17
1/28/12 at 5:26pm
^ Posts like that really make you think.
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post #13 of 17
1/28/12 at 5:29pm
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Originally Posted by F. Corbera View Post

^ Posts like that really make you think.

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post #14 of 17
1/28/12 at 5:34pm
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post

Wouldn't a lot depend on the populations of the individual species?

I Ithink there is a general view that some populations are under threat and that is the issue , shark is a high in the food chain, slow growing and slow in reproduction. it cannot be farmed as I understand so I feel it could be a problem.
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post #15 of 17
1/28/12 at 6:21pm
I like my gator gear.
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