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post #61 of 75
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Originally Posted by Birks and Grey Socks View Post

The question is not
"Is China technically capable of producing a quality garment/product?" ...because the answer is yes.
The questions is
" Can I trust a business culture that will seek to undermine long term consumer confidence by inserting...."
- melamine in baby formula
- antifreeze in toothpaste
- phosphorus in glow in the dark pork chops

They wouldn't glow in the dark if there was no phosphorus in them.
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- sodium nitrite and urea into beans sprouts to make them shinier at the vegetable stand
- fertilizers that cause watermelons to explode on tabletops

Hey I was trying to get some of those for Lunar New Year. Make a change from firecrackers.
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- scavenging used cooking oil from the floor drains beneath restaurants to resell and reuse in 1 in 10 restaurant meals
- a completely fake chain of apple stores

At least they were selling real Apple products AFAIK. When one finds a Windows Key on one's new Apple Macbook Air, then one complains.
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and the list goes on and on and on....

.... don't forget Goat urine duck meat and Formaldehyde blood pudding

Recommended reading..
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Edited by MikeDT - 2/13/12 at 7:22am
post #62 of 75
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I think prison labor stuff would be minimum wage or better (with some "room and board" deductions). See the "Prison Blues" jeans website. Much prison labor goes into making goods that do not compete with the private sector, or go into U.S. Government GSA catalogs.

Any source on the minimum wage thing? They aren't great sources but I found these that would disagree:
http://www.prisonpolicy.org/prisonindex/prisonlabor.html

http://motherjones.com/politics/2008/07/what-do-prisoners-make-victorias-secret

And I remember Russell Athletics stuff coming from US Prison Labor, I believe. Most of the stuff talked about on this Forum definitely wouldn't fit in that "sector" but neither would most MIC stuff.
post #63 of 75
this thread is pointless. If you don't want to buy anything Made in China, or think something made in China is priced too high. Just don't buy it. There are always alternatives. If you think made in China produces bad quality then next time don't buy it.

So SIMPLE.
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post #65 of 75
I didn't know where to express this so I found this thread. Yesterday I walked into a J. Crew at lunchtime to waste some time. I found a cashmere scarf I liked and I was going to buy it. I looked at the tag to see that it was made in China so I put it down and walked out. Discuss.
post #66 of 75
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

I didn't know where to express this so I found this thread. Yesterday I walked into a J. Crew at lunchtime to waste some time. I found a Cashmere scarf I liked and I was going to buy it. I looked at the tag to see that it was made in China so I put it down and walked out. Discuss.

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Yesterday I walked into a J. Crew at lunchtime to waste some time. Discuss.


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Discuss.


/thread
post #67 of 75
Um, ok?
post #68 of 75

legally, a brand must post somewhere on the garment the country of origin. 

post #69 of 75
Buy from your own country first, any country where its workers are fairly paid second, and be strong enough to reject any garment where a first world country manufacturer has outsourced its labour to a third world country. Do not blame China (or India, etc.) outrightly, for they were invited to participate. Instead blame, and hold accountable, yourselves and those companies in your own country who sold your country out by taking away domestic jobs and screwing your countrys own economy with its treasonous greed. This is what is at the core of the problem. If you will not support your own country, then be prepared to learn Mandarin because we are all going to be speaking it one day soon. Napoleon Bonaparte once referred to China as a sleeping giant. Now this sleeping giant is awake and as forewarned by Bonaparte, will one day shake the world. Was he speaking of warfare? or corporate warfare? Either way, it will be bad for many countries. If one refuses to heed the warnings, then the first words in Mandarin they should learn is, 'yes master.' Support goods made in your own country. If you have to settle for less, then so be it. You have all the power in the world to stop the outsourcing and bring the jobs back home. Also reject the Wal-Marts, Costco's and other monster chains that starve out the small guy. Support smaller domestic businesses directly that they may grow. /end rant
post #70 of 75
I am on vacation and haven't given clothing any thought for a while. I AM in China right NOW, in a suburb of Shenzhen right now, near the airport because I just got back from Guilin late last night. I agree with MoL on a lot of his points, but from what I've seen and heard today from my Mandarin speaking friend, it's not as bad as the jingoistic wingnuts would have you believe.

Working conditions are not up to modern NA standards, they are probably where NA factories were a century ago. I've seen factory kids hanging out on the main drag, they look like kids from anywhere, trying to get ahead. Apart from a few tricks to rig the game which are beyond their control, these kids have dreams and ambitions and they are willing to work, unlike my idiot PS3 addicted whiney nephews who depend on the bank of mom and dad to live. I saw eager kids do stuff I would have in a half assed way when I was their age. They want it much more than I did.

In this area, everyone is white collar or mid management and seem to live very middle class lives, even in Guilin, the scale of domestic tourism was staggering. I had always thought they were overworked, underpaid slaves here. I was wrong. They are chasing a dream like everyone else. If you don't agree with MiC goods, don't buy them, but don't expect high quality Western made goods at MiC prices either. These things cost, we have nobody to blame but ourselves because we demand $20 jeans at Wal-Mart and the only way to do it is MiC. Even here, people were saying that the factories seemed slower because costs were rising in Shenzhen and work would move to other parts of China or to Indonesia.

Just see this place, it's an eyeopener, btw, the food is terrible here. Open mind and open eyes, you will notice quickly, I just did, just saw MoL's rant and had to comment because I am here right now.
post #71 of 75
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Originally Posted by Ivon View Post

I am on vacation and haven't given clothing any thought for a while. I AM in China right NOW, in a suburb of Shenzhen right now, near the airport because I just got back from Guilin late last night. I agree with MoL on a lot of his points, but from what I've seen and heard today from my Mandarin speaking friend, it's not as bad as the jingoistic wingnuts would have you believe.
Working conditions are not up to modern NA standards, they are probably where NA factories were a century ago. I've seen factory kids hanging out on the main drag, they look like kids from anywhere, trying to get ahead. Apart from a few tricks to rig the game which are beyond their control, these kids have dreams and ambitions and they are willing to work, unlike my idiot PS3 addicted whiney nephews who depend on the bank of mom and dad to live. I saw eager kids do stuff I would have in a half assed way when I was their age. They want it much more than I did.
In this area, everyone is white collar or mid management and seem to live very middle class lives, even in Guilin, the scale of domestic tourism was staggering. I had always thought they were overworked, underpaid slaves here. I was wrong. They are chasing a dream like everyone else. If you don't agree with MiC goods, don't buy them, but don't expect high quality Western made goods at MiC prices either. These things cost, we have nobody to blame but ourselves because we demand $20 jeans at Wal-Mart and the only way to do it is MiC. Even here, people were saying that the factories seemed slower because costs were rising in Shenzhen and work would move to other parts of China or to Indonesia.
Just see this place, it's an eyeopener, btw, the food is terrible here. Open mind and open eyes, you will notice quickly, I just did, just saw MoL's rant and had to comment because I am here right now.

Because it's real Chinese food and not westernised? Or you been eating McDonald's and KFC?
post #72 of 75
No doubt the recipes and ingredients are authentic, but the quality of ingredients and execution were piss poor. My friend even got us onto a Chinese package tour for domestic Chinese tourists to Guilin and Yongshou, hotels were decent, but the food was awful, the rest of the group was complaining as well. Best meal so far was in Guangzhou in a cafeteria place for office workers for $10 RMB, we chose to skip the overpriced stuff with XO sauce to eat like regular people. Yongshou is very nice, I already want to go back. Food in Fu Yong is okay, whole lot of Wunan joints around Wanfu Square, Cantonese joints are hard to find. Many residents are mostly from other parts of China, working in factories or the numerous banks that line the streets. No roundeyes here. Avoid the Kungfu fast food joints like the plague, mom and pops are hit or miss so far. Any good joints near Wanfu Square?
post #73 of 75
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No doubt the recipes and ingredients are authentic, but the quality of ingredients and execution were piss poor. My friend even got us onto a Chinese package tour for domestic Chinese tourists to Guilin and Yongshou, hotels were decent, but the food was awful, the rest of the group was complaining as well. Best meal so far was in Guangzhou in a cafeteria place for office workers for $10 RMB, we chose to skip the overpriced stuff with XO sauce to eat like regular people. Yongshou is very nice, I already want to go back. Food in Fu Yong is okay, whole lot of Wunan joints around Wanfu Square, Cantonese joints are hard to find. Many residents are mostly from other parts of China, working in factories or the numerous banks that line the streets. No roundeyes here. Avoid the Kungfu fast food joints like the plague, mom and pops are hit or miss so far. Any good joints near Wanfu Square?

That's Shekou, don't really know much there at all apart from X-Ta-Sea. Which is a bar and nightclub on a ship, mostly expats. When I've been in Shenzhen with a couple of Chinese friends who live there. Spent most of my time in Buji, Longgang District. So it was home cooking most of the time. Kung Fu is basically fast-food/junk-food, might as well eat in McDonald's.

From what I've seen, especially in Beijing, domestic tourists seem to get pushed around and herded like cattle. Tour guides probably don't care much where they eat. When I'm in Beijing, usually Chaoyang CBD, I tend to eat where the local people and workers dine, cafeteria places.

Never been to Guilin, they keep on saying I should visit. Not had a bad meal in Xilinhot though, always good. smile.gif Most of my travels in China I've been with Chinese friends, who are local to the areas.
post #74 of 75
Guilin is kinda like Niagara Falls, but it's a tourist hotspur and the locals will try to fleece Chinese and roundeyes all the same, they don't discriminate. Scenic, but Yongshou was special to me, think Chinese alpine village meets Las Vegas. Scenery is jawdropping, pedestrian mall is very cool. But there seems to be a segregation of tourist, Chinese have their places and the expat theirs. Relentless hustle on tourists, but I highly recommend the place. The middle class Chinese I was with had a huge disdain for backpacker types, they thought of them as dirty drug addicted drunkards or something like that. No respectable Chinese should hang around them.

They got used to me. I am returning to HK tomorrow morning. I just had to post something after reading MoL rant, otherwise I'm still on vacation mode. The package tour was very informative, I learned in Guangzhou, the locals past 40 avoid the Tianhe district because it was all cemeteries until a few years ago and the Japanese committed war crimes nearby so they don't there if they can help it. The package was a good deal, ¥1600 for return air from Shenzhen, 3 nights hotel, 3 meals a tour guide and quite a few admissions.

Til next time kids.
post #75 of 75
The foods in China are not that great. Street foods in Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, and Indonesia are the best...I still don't understand how a little old lady vendor can make such a mean noodle soup in Hanoi or Chiang Mai....biggrin.gif
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