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post #886 of 5454
Oh SNAP! Now, who the hell are you again?
post #887 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Nosu3 View Post

I haven't looked again for the studies on neuron damage but it's one of the suggestive damages that would contribute to mental illness. The data is accepted in the scientific community... barely any mental illness can be proven, let alone proven that marijuana caused it. This doesn't mean mental illness doesn't exist, it's still accepted. The studies are based on anecdotal evidence and first-hand accounts that are not dismissed. So if mental illness is arising during or directly after use (as accepted by many first-hand accounts), then some type of damage is being done for the brain to malfunction into illness. Then there are theories as to how it happens, which is where neuron damage studies come in.

There is no, zero, none, zilch evidence that cannabis causes cell damage. There is little if any evidence linking it as a causal agent to serious psychological illness although there is correlation. The 'data' you propose is not accepted by the scientific community. And you seem to have little or no idea about how actual science is done.

Mental illness also arises during or directly after brushing of the teeth (as is accepted by first-hand accounts) then some kind of damage is being done for the brain to malfunction into illness.

Not theories, guesses, or more charitably hypotheses. A theory is “a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment.” (National Academy of Sciences.)
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post #889 of 5454
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How is this stoopid?
post #890 of 5454
I don't think it is, but I'm sure many where would disagree.
post #891 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Fang66 View Post

There is no, zero, none, zilch evidence that cannabis causes cell damage. There is little if any evidence linking it as a causal agent to serious psychological illness although there is correlation. The 'data' you propose is not accepted by the scientific community. And you seem to have little or no idea about how actual science is done.
Mental illness also arises during or directly after brushing of the teeth (as is accepted by first-hand accounts) then some kind of damage is being done for the brain to malfunction into illness.

Brushing of teeth doesn't have the same method of action as cannabis. Cannabis alters brain chemistry and activity in a totally different way. One way being reducing acetylcholine output of the hippocampus by up to 40% which the effects are attributed to aspects of the high. Then there is the question of how it is performing this action and whether that method can cause permanent or semi-permanent effects in people with a certain biological make-up.

There is only anecdotal evidence linking it as a cause, because at this time that's the only evidence possible to obtain.
post #892 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Nosu3 View Post


There is only anecdotal evidence linking it as a cause, because at this time that's the only evidence possible to obtain.

Ya disregard testing done on primates, but are willing to accept anecdotal evidence...
post #893 of 5454
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Originally Posted by javyn View Post

Ya disregard testing done on primates, but are willing to accept anecdotal evidence...

I wouldn't totally disregard it, but I think the subject matter would have a much different result of accuracy. Anecdotal evidence should be accepted in some situations. Mental illness is one of them since it cannot be proven, yet is characterized in a way that has proven biological ways of possible occurrence.
post #894 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Nosu3 View Post

Brushing of teeth doesn't have the same method of action as cannabis. Cannabis alters brain chemistry and activity in a totally different way. One way being reducing acetylcholine output of the hippocampus by up to 40% which the effects are attributed to aspects of the high. Then there is the question of how it is performing this action and whether that method can cause permanent or semi-permanent effects in people with a certain biological make-up.
There is only anecdotal evidence linking it as a cause, because at this time that's the only evidence possible to obtain.

Derrrr my comment was obvious snark.

Here's something less snarky.

Take a group of disaffected children just entering puberty and compare them to a group of more well adjusted kids. Which group do you think would be more likely to have recently used cannabis? Quite likely the less well adjusted group. Which group is more likely to suffer from mental illness? Again the less well adjusted group?

Now consider that anti-cannabis governments around the world have been pumping billions of dollars into anti-drug research for over 50 years and yet there is still no evidence that cannabis use causes long term physiological harm to humans and that animal trials show that cannabis is in fact not brain toxic.

Then ask yourself which conclusion is more likely, A: that disaffected children prone to mental illness are more likely to smoke weed or B: that smoking weed causes mental illness.

Again, not advocating that kids be allowed to smoke weed anymore than I would advocate allowing them to drink.

Just because anecdotal evidence is the only evidence available doesn't make it good evidence. It isn't the only evidence by the way, there are plenty of animal trials that show the opposite of what you believe. This allied with a sensible reading of the anecdotal evidence should lead to the conclusion that it is more likely that cannabis is safe than harmful and that there is little or no case for the argument that cannabis causes brain injury in adults. And even less of a case for it's prohibition especially when compared to the deleterious effects of other legal drugs such as alcohol.
post #895 of 5454
+ what javyn said.
post #896 of 5454
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Originally Posted by javyn View Post

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this is stupid.

i'm sure stitches could talk about the old testament books better, but christians believe that christ is the new covenant and is himself the fulfillment of the old covenant. a lot of the strict dietary laws and odd regulations don't need to be followed.


for the second part

the first two are if statements. if slavery occurs then do this and this, if a man rapes a women then do this (i think marry her). it doesn't condone the behavior. it just says what to do when it happens

the child abuse one is stupid (the bible condones physical punishment for children and that's child abuse?).

the prejudice one is out of context because the verse refers to not welcoming someone preaching in your house with contrary beliefs, not anybody who merely holds contrary beliefs.

the misogynst one is out of context because the verse refers to a habit of certain first generation disruptive christian women who would get up during service and start spouting off. it's also a personal exhortation.

/end christian rant
post #897 of 5454
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

"Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

“He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19)

“...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35

Sorry, looks like the OT still stands.
post #898 of 5454
did you not read the part where i said christ is the fulfillment of the law

if you really want to (i highly doubt you will) you could take a gander at romans and hebrew

sorry you misunderstood so much
post #899 of 5454
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

did you not read the part where i said christ is the fulfillment of the law

if you really want to (i highly doubt you will) you could take a gander at romans and hebrew

sorry you misunderstood so much


The problem with this is it seems many people still want to be able to pick and choose parts of the Old Testament they feel should be followed based on what amounts to arbitrary reasons.
post #900 of 5454
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

this is stupid.
i'm sure stitches could talk about the old testament books better, but christians believe that christ is the new covenant and is himself the fulfillment of the old covenant. a lot of the strict dietary laws and odd regulations don't need to be followed.
for the second part
the first two are if statements. if slavery occurs then do this and this, if a man rapes a women then do this (i think marry her). it doesn't condone the behavior. it just says what to do when it happens
the child abuse one is stupid (the bible condones physical punishment for children and that's child abuse?).
the prejudice one is out of context because the verse refers to not welcoming someone preaching in your house with contrary beliefs, not anybody who merely holds contrary beliefs.
the misogynst one is out of context because the verse refers to a habit of certain first generation disruptive christian women who would get up during service and start spouting off. it's also a personal exhortation.
/end christian rant

Mealy mouthed apologist crap.
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