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Since when were Greenland, Mozambique, Peru and Indonesia in the British Empire?
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

So why is Originalism bad when Bork and Scalia attempted it but then so many liberals attempt to apply it to the Second? It's puzzling.
As puzzling as the fact that neither Scalia not Bork were originalists on the Second Amendment?
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Lol what? Of course they were.
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As puzzling as the fact that neither Scalia not Bork were originalists on the Second Amendment?

So they were idiot liberals too? Now all the pieces are falling into place...

Also, and of course I'm not a fancy law-dog like you or Harv, but I thought they actually were but that means the Second probably doesn't say what the NRA thinks it says. So my observation remains valid as that's what the idiot liberals that otherwise reject Bork and Scalia argue.
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The Second, just like all the Bill of Rights, restricts federal power, not grants rights. Fuck you, statist.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

So they were idiot liberals too? Now all the pieces are falling into place...

Also, and of course I'm not a fancy law-dog like you or Harv, but I thought they actually were but that means the Second probably doesn't say what the NRA thinks it says. So my observation remains valid as that's what the idiot liberals that otherwise reject Bork and Scalia argue.
No, Scalia and Bork sucked down whatever came out of Wayne LaPierre's dick just like other reactionaries masquerading as "conservatives". I know Scalia's jurisprudence better than Scalia's, but Scalia's professed originalism was pure cynical, readily put-aside window dressing. Neither liberals not conservitards have a monopoly on idiocy and intellectual inconsistency.
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The Second, just like all the Bill of Rights, restricts federal power, not grants rights.
This is a point stupid liberals and stupid conservatives miss, but which slightly less stupid conservatives like to pretend that only stupid liberals miss. People all over the political spectrum want the Constitution to be a positive entitlement to whatever will soothe their personal butthurt.
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No, Scalia and Bork sucked down whatever came out of Wayne LaPierre's dick just like other reactionaries masquerading as "conservatives". I know Scalia's jurisprudence better than Scalia's, but Scalia's professed originalism was pure cynical, readily put-aside window dressing. Neither liberals not conservitards have a monopoly on idiocy and intellectual inconsistency.

We've been chatting how many years and still feel like you have to point that out to me? I'm hurt. frown.gif
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This place is pretty much Geoundhog Day.
On a good day, anyway.
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Yeah, because I want to restrict abortion rights too.
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No, Scalia and Bork sucked down whatever came out of Wayne LaPierre's dick just like other reactionaries masquerading as "conservatives". 

Lawyerdad was feeling himself yesterday. [insert fire emoji here]

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Lawyerdad was feeling himself yesterday. [insert fire emoji here]

Other rhetorical phails aside, I've noted before that I know enough about Scalia professionally and personally that I have no patience for the canard that he was some sort of intellectual purist who wasn't aggressively pursuing an outcome-driven policy agenda.
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Other rhetorical phails aside, I've noted before that I know enough about Scalia professionally and personally that I have no patience for the canard that he was some sort of intellectual purist who wasn't aggressively pursuing an outcome-driven policy agenda.

The issue I raised really had little to do if these folks followed their own supposed philosophy but rather with the folks that rejected them and their legal philosophy yet are ready to use it in framing their desire to limit gun ownership.

Two wrongs, a right does not make. Anyone that rejects Originalism and it's alleged proponents, yet is all ready to use it when they see fit, is also guilty of an outcome-driven policy agenda.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

The issue I raised really had little to do if these folks followed their own supposed philosophy but rather with the folks that rejected them and their legal philosophy yet are ready to use it in framing their desire to limit gun ownership.

Two wrongs, a right does not make. Anyone that rejects Originalism and it's alleged proponents, yet is all ready to use it when they see fit, is also guilty of an outcome-driven policy agenda.

Well, I think a lot of people are perfectly comfortable with an outcome-driven policy approach. For people like that who we're lumping together as "liberals", I don't think there's any inconsistency in the fact that they were critical of Scalia's (or whoever's) putting window dressing on his own agenda. Or, for that matter, throwing the same window dressing back in the faces of those who -- entirely coincidentally, I'm sure -- end up in the same camp as Scalia on gun issues as well as broader "culture war" issues.

Yeah, the whole "Minutemen used muskets so the Second Amendment only covers muskets" meme thing is idiotic, but it strikes me more as combatting idiocity with idiocity.
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