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I am uncomfortable with how far to "the left" this thread is getting.

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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

I am uncomfortable with how far to "the left" this thread is getting.

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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

What are these "other reasons" for having an official language?

Oh, off the top of my head, some historical reasons include:

- partial disavowal of minority populations within national boundaries--either by an official majority rule or by the rule of a powerful minority / plurality
- colonial administration of a country and an attempt to supplant native languages with an imperial/bureaucratic one
- in the aftermath of colonialism, a desire to reclaim a degree of indigenous autonomy

Notice that around this particular matter, both Canada (with its two official European languages) and the U.S. (with some calls for English as its official language) have related but different and complicated histories. (To spell out the obvious: the U.S. is in some senses a post-colonial state but the independence that was achieved wasn't for the indigenous population but for the colonists. The whole situation is even more complicated because of how big the U.S. is and what different kinds of languages--indigenous and imported and somewhere in between--have been represented within its shifting boundaries.) I actually have no clue when/why Canada adopted its two official languages. But that's okay since as a card-carrying member of the left, I've never signed any kind of agreement whereby I endorse every fucking thing Canada does or has done or has done in the past and doesn't fix.

But thanks for playing Let's Manufacture Hypocrisy! Always great fun!
Edited by erictheobscure - 5/2/16 at 3:54pm
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So, you abandon your little dialogue -- "thanks for playing" indeed. I was hoping you were actually going to give me something I could use to make my dog whistles more subtle. Always lookin' for those.
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I'm glad you ignored his 500 word serious answer and went straight to his joke at the end.
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

I'm glad you ignored his 500 word serious answer and went straight to his joke at the end.

Not only did I read it, I took a step further than you did and actually comprehended it. None of the examples he gave are "non nativist" in the slightest.

That, and he didn't even really read lawyerdad's posts, since as far as I can tell that's not actually the position he was taking.
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Not only did I read it, I took a step further than you did and actually comprehended it. None of the examples he gave are "non nativist" in the slightest.

That, and he didn't even really read lawyerdad's posts, since as far as I can tell that's not actually the position he was taking.

I'm not sure what position I'm supposedly taking or not taking, but eto's summary struck me as pretty accurate (although it appears to reference not my initial comment but rather my response to Pio's "American exceptionalism" retort).
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Not only did I read it, I took a step further than you did and actually comprehended it. None of the examples he gave are "non nativist" in the slightest.

Okay, so your asinine attempt at a zinger boils down to: all official languages are nativist. So Canada is nativist for having French and English as official languages. And the left should be up in arms against their Canadian comrades. Is that it? If so, then that's fucking stupid for the same reason Piob's original attempt at a zinger is fucking stupid: just because the left, broadly speaking, likes a lot of stuff about Canada does not--except maybe in the worldview of a five year-old or a dimwit--somehow amount to a blanket agreement with every single fucking thing Canada does.

But here you've really doubled down on stupidity. Some of the reasons I listed (only because you asked!) are clearly non-nativist. Namely, the colonial/imperial one. Let me spell this out for you: when English was made an official language in locations around the world, it wasn't an expression of nativism. It was an expression of the power of foreign encroachment. In the U.S., what was once a colonial language (one among many imported into the region) has now been embraced by nativists (in an exclusionary effort that forgets or represses the fact that English is relatively new on this continent). Maybe a similar history obtains in Canada since its two official languages are European too. But for my thoughts on that, see the paragraph above. To your asinine point that, no no no, all official languages are nativist: please re-read this paragraph.
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Originally Posted by erictheobscure View Post

Let's recap, kids!

Piob: The left likes Canada! Canada has two official languages! The left doesn't want America to have one official language! Hypocrisy! OMG I am so clever hurr hurr

lawyerdad: Other countries might have official languages for different reasons. In America, the calls for making English the official language have pretty explicitly been rooted in nativism.

Piob: hurr hurr "incongruous" is a big word for me

venividividcibj: They have two fucking official languages in Canada.

Piob: hurr hurr sticks thumb up butt

I'm so happy you still love me...
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except maybe in the worldview of a five year-old or a dimwit--

You've got me nailed. Best thing about my adopted country is a dimwit like me can still make a modest living.
Edited by Piobaire - 5/2/16 at 6:16pm
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So I suppose raising the amazement of US lefties that tax payer dollars go to support religious schools in Canada will be met with a similar screed?
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

So I suppose raising the amazement of US lefties that tax payer dollars go to support religious schools in Canada will be met with a similar screed?


Ah Seperaration of Church and State. Yet another blind spot for those who expound a belief in the strict interpretation of the Constitution and its Amendments

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Ah Seperaration of Church and State. Yet another blind spot for those who expound a belief in the strict interpretation of the Constitution and its Amendments

Those damn righties! Err, those damn lefties!


Hurr.
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