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When I lived in Miami I would refer to all my spicy friends/colleagues simply as "Spaniards."
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When I lived in Miami I would refer to all my spicy friends/colleagues simply as "Spaniards."


You are the best new poster in a year. Never leave.
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Originally Posted by englade321 View Post

Ok guys I'm not gonna play this little I make more than you game anymore .

You misunderstand the point of the post you quoted. It was designed to show the disingenuous nature of dropping a figure that shows the fully loaded cost to the company of an employee and pretending like it's the wage. Several of us have pointed this out now.

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This is absolutely wrong every cent of our total wage package is delt with within tha framework of the Union and is therefore under the total control of the membership .i am not going to go into detail about how we do this , retirement committees, finance committee, health and welfare etc all positions filled by elected rank and file members, but that is how it is handled . This is a labor union and by law a level of transparency is required that surpasses that of private businesses , so if you are reallythat interested I'm sure this info is out there in the public record somewhere . Incidentally the members of these committees preform these duties without pay in addition to their regular jobs

So your union is outside Obamacare. Right. Gotcha.
Edited by Piobaire - 8/20/15 at 7:43am
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My union is outside Obamacare. It's "Called UADon'tReportThisIncomeToTheIRSW."
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

You misunderstand the point of the post you quoted. It was designed to show the disingenuous nature of dropping a figure that shows the fully loaded cost to the company of an employee and pretending like it's the wage. Several of us have pointed this out now.

My employer gives me two checks . One I take home and put in the bank . The other is sent to my Union in my name where it is distributed to the various fund in which I participate . Some of these are voluntary if I opt out this money goes toward the check I take home . The combination of these two check is in the area of $92 At this time with a contracted increase of $12 over the next 6 years
Every cent of this money was brought up before the membership in a special called meeting debated and voted on
These are facts simple and verifiable



So your union is outside Obamacare. Right. Gotcha.
Our health and welfare committee stands before the membership presents the issue of obamacare tells us what action our legal advisors recommend we debate it and vote on it
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

My union is outside Obamacare. It's "Called UADon'tReportThisIncomeToTheIRSW."
A lot of our members joined this Union back in the tax revolt days . A lot went to jail and a lot worked for minimum wage for years to stay outa jail
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Originally Posted by englade321 View Post

Our health and welfare committee stands before the membership presents the issue of obamacare tells us what action our legal advisors recommend we debate it and vote on it

That's non-responsive. You previously said the membership could decide to pocket the entire amount. As part of that amount is for healthcare you are obviously 100% wrong there. End of story. It's all out there in public documents and I'm not making this up.

You are simply wrong in your claim and there's no reason for me to argue it more as it's public knowledge what Obamacare requires.
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Originally Posted by englade321 View Post

A lot of our members joined this Union back in the tax revolt days . A lot went to jail and a lot worked for minimum wage for years to stay outa jail

LOOK EVERYBODY IT'S "DOESN'T GET THE JOKE GUY!"



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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

You are the best new poster in a year. Never leave.

Now if a reply like that doesn't deserve rep I don't know what does! smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

LOOK EVERYBODY IT'S "DOESN'T GET THE JOKE GUY!"



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No.wait wait I get this one . Nelson Muntz rite ?rite?
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

That's non-responsive. You previously said the membership could decide to pocket the entire amount. As part of that amount is for healthcare you are obviously 100% wrong there. End of story. It's all out there in public documents and I'm not making this up.

You are simply wrong in your claim and there's no reason for me to argue it more as it's public knowledge what Obamacare requires.

Yikes you really struggle with the big picture dont ya. Of course there legal and govt demands on my wages. I assumed you were astute enough to accept that as a given. However if at anytime we decided not to pay these we are free to vote not do so . Now our members are smart enough not to do that but the fact remains it is within our power and WE decide we decide within the law what health coverage we will have , what our retirement will look like and whatever way our money will be spent ,not some fat ass corporate lackey who's only concern is his chicken shit little job and making a bunch of greedy stockholders rich on the backs of the people who get the job done
Our contractors LIKE this system our union works and it has worked well for over a hundred years . That is simply the fact , and no amount of arguing over minutiae of how much we control a few nickels and dimes is going to change that
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Originally Posted by englade321 View Post

Yikes you really struggle with the big picture dont ya. Of course there legal and govt demands on my wages. I assumed you were astute enough to accept that as a given. However if at anytime we decided not to pay these we are free to vote not do so . Now our members are smart enough not to do that but the fact remains it is within our power and WE decide we decide within the law what health coverage we will have , what our retirement will look like and whatever way our money will be spent ,not some fat ass corporate lackey who's only concern is his chicken shit little job and making a bunch of greedy stockholders rich on the backs of the people who get the job done
Our contractors LIKE this system our union works and it has worked well for over a hundred years . That is simply the fact , and no amount of arguing over minutiae of how much we control a few nickels and dimes is going to change that

OJFC. Who do you think you're fucking shitting here with this lame attempt at an ad hoc rescue? Here's what you said:
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The total wage package is just under $100 no benefits are provided by our employers . The distribution of these monies are determined by the membership . No money is distributed in any manner that has not been decided upon and voted on in an election open to all members . If the members decided to take every penny of that $ < 100 home on a paycheck that is of no concern to our employers.


Your employers would sure as shit give a fuck when they got slapped with a penalty on the entire payroll as you dumb fucks "decided" to take 100% of that figure home in the form of a pay cheque.

We done yet or you want to embarrass yourself more? Even your fucking framing is wrong as it's not " minutiae of how much we control a few nickels and dimes" but rather over $17 an hour per your own fucking document!
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Originally Posted by englade321 View Post


...making a bunch of greedy stockholders rich on the backs of the people who get the job done

You should probably consider the folks who direct their hard earned bucks into fractional ownership of your company over 10s of thousands of alternatives...eh..."part of your team"?
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Companies will be fined if they don't offer coverage and even just one of their workers gets subsidized insurance on an Obamacare individual exchange. For 2015, the fine is $174 a month times the number of full-time employees (minus 80 workers).
But that penalty is higher if the company offers insurance, but it's not considered affordable or comprehensive. In that case, the employer pays $261 a month for each employee who received subsidized coverage on an individual exchange.

Yeah, what employer would pay any attention to this fine because a union decided to divert contributions for healthcare to their base wage instead? confused.gif
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Yeah, what employer would pay any attention to this fine because a union decided to divert contributions for healthcare to their base wage instead? confused.gif
The companies who employ our members HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR HEALTH COVERAGE they are free of any responsibility in this area and in addition their non- union employees are allowed to participate our health plan thus reducing their need for them to deal with health care altogether
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