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Originally Posted by JapanAlex01 View Post

I have done, I believe, 5 or so standardised tests over the past five or six years with, if I remember correctly, 138 being the average score with a couple of points variance either side.

Will I complete another one, because someone handled 'dopey' on the internet asked me to? No.

Again, more derailing and trolling. This is pretty amusing right now. No reasonable negatives to socialism over capitalism? Anyone?
The problem is that you are basically defining socialism as capitalism... in your system what would stop a group of people from being hired by a rich person to provide a service in a non coop fashion and the rich guy charges an obscene amount compared to actual costs?
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Socialism isn't about the build cost to profit ratio; it's about spreading the wealth through the employees, and handing the power over to them, so they can make the fundamental decisions on how profits should be raised/spent. Of course, a co-op could pull an Apple, and charge ~500% above the build cost. It just means the CEOs, etc., wouldn't see the gross benefits of that system; the staff would. The average American CEO earns 300 times more than their lowest-paid member of staff. That's just plain wrong. Capitalism causes gross inefficiency, too, as workers have no reason to work hard.


Edited by JapanAlex01 - 7/31/15 at 6:43am
post #4323 of 5454
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Originally Posted by JapanAlex01 View Post

I have done, I believe, 5 or so standardised tests over the past five or six years with, if I remember correctly, 138 being the average score with a couple of points variance either side.

Will I complete another one, because someone handled 'dopey' on the internet asked me to? No.

Again, more derailing and trolling. This is pretty amusing right now. No reasonable negatives to socialism over capitalism? Anyone?
You don't need to take another test. You can just post the results of one you have already taken to verify your claim. And why do you keep taking IQ tests. Are you in an experiment? Or is one of those facebook things? I keep thinking about taking one of those facebook IQ tests but I don't want to give them access to my e-mail.
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Originally Posted by JapanAlex01 View Post

I never said it measures wisdom (knowledge, sure). Urgh, I hate the overuse of the word projecting but...

Why do I insist on continuing dead-end altercations with boneheads? I would probably be into S&M; I should try it...

Again, someone who can't give me a single reason why capitalism is better than socialism, and just focuses on some arbitrary bullshit (you brought up IQ, you'll say, but it was a sidenote and not the main linchpin of my argument which any reasonable adult would realise).

Ok, I'll shoot -

The organization I work for has over 40,000 employees in about 60 countries. Let's assume that it were to somehow become an employee-owned cooperative. With that assumption, I pose a few questions to you:

- I believe you've stated in prior posts that the employees of a coop would just meet to make decisions. How does that scale to such a large organization? What are the actual logistics?
- Our employee base is quite varied...MDs, JDs, PhDs, top 5 MBAs, etc. down to high school graduate/GED manufacturing folks. This information is just to illustrate the range of people we have - not judge any as providing more or less value to the organization. With that being said, how is pay appropriately determined? Are some employees not more qualified than others - not just in their specific roles, but also in their ability to allocate the organization's resources?
- What incentive does an individual have to excel? The reward that is realized as result of the individual employee's increased effort becomes diluted by the time it comes back to the individual, shifting the cost/benefit ratio.
- How does such an organization deal with under-performing employees?
post #4325 of 5454
Merriam-Webster dictionary is wrong, guys. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia with impeccable credentials.
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I am so glad AlexJapan joined this thread.
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I have two things I'd like to say here:

I'm a card-carrying member of REI. Does this mean I'm a socialist? If so, when can I start using the sweet backpacking sleeping bag and stove I've been eyeing?

Before you go on, I encourage all of you to take an online IQ test so that we all know where we stand. I discovered one here I believe you will all find useful: http://www.styleforum.net/t/504772/mrgs-iq-test-thread
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

I am so glad AlexJapan joined this thread.
Yes. It is nice to see some serious intelligence brought to bear (assuming his claims are true).
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

Yes. It is nice to see some serious intelligence brought to bear (assuming his claims are true).

I know that socialism does not work. Therefore, my I.Q. must be higher than 138.
post #4330 of 5454
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Originally Posted by JapanAlex01 View Post

Socialism isn't about the build cost to profit ratio; it's about spreading the wealth through the employees, and handing the power over to them, so they can make the fundamental decisions on how profits should be raised/spent. Of course, a co-op could pull an Apple, and charge ~500% above the build cost. It just means the CEOs, etc., wouldn't see the gross benefits of that system; the staff would. The average American CEO earns 3000% more than their lowest-paid member of staff. That's just plain wrong. Capitalism causes gross inefficiency, too, as workers have no reason to work hard.

If this is what socialism is about why are some of the very countries you specifically pointed out as "more socialist = good" showing higher concentration of wealth than the US? That should be impossible under the paradigm you are attempting to outline.

Oh yeah, not going to let you ignore there's higher/equal wealth concentration in some of the northern Euro social democracies than there is in the US. Wealth = decision making, as you've pointed out, and it's higher or equal to that of the US in these countries supposedly farther along the path to your personal definition of socialism. Now explain that or you've been demonstrated a moron with a 138 IQ (btw, that's like being 6' 1" tall and bragging about how tall you are).
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Fuck yeah, just took the IQ test and I'm 139! Suck it bitch!
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I did a random IQ test on the internet and scored a 5. I'm not sure how this ranks compared to some of the great thinker's here on SF but it still allowed me to spew a useless sentance into this threak.
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

Fuck yeah, just took the IQ test and I'm 139! Suck it bitch!

Shit, I just got bumped up to a 209!!! I'm smarter than Einstein, ya'll!
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Originally Posted by JapanAlex01 View Post

Socialism isn't about the build cost to profit ratio; it's about spreading the wealth through the employees, and handing the power over to them, so they can make the fundamental decisions on how profits should be raised/spent. Of course, a co-op could pull an Apple, and charge ~500% above the build cost. It just means the CEOs, etc., wouldn't see the gross benefits of that system; the staff would. The average American CEO earns 3000% more than their lowest-paid member of staff. That's just plain wrong. Capitalism causes gross inefficiency, too, as workers have no reason to work hard.
Why is it wrong... if their specialized knowledge provide that much more value why not? and not burst your idealistic view of coops kibbutz etc. But they also exploit as well not giving their workers a voice nor "fair" compensation.
And plenty of low end workers are motivated to work hard if fail tp meet your quota....

But i wish to bring up a hypothetical example person in vents x and starts a company to produce and sell. His value is alot more than the people making why should he not get 3000 times what the a janitor makes?
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

Shit, I just got bumped up to a 209!!! I'm smarter than Einstein, ya'll!
I want to see a unified theory in 10 days
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