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Originally Posted by englade321 View Post

Pretty sure you can't defect from the U.S .if you want to live there just go . Nobody's stopping you

Nobody has to.
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Originally Posted by JapanAlex01 View Post

facepalm.gif  You're a shining example of the US education system.

This post promotes campus rape.
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Originally Posted by englade321 View Post

Some posters seem to be having difficulty differentiating political systems , economic systems and human rights from each other and the fact that their relationships are not inferred one from the other and are I fact only historical or coincidental

Because you quoted me, I'm assuming your comment is directed at me. The problem is that JapanAlex's characterization of socialism is incorrect. From the dictionary:
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a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

Socialism isn't about the workers controlling the means of production. It is about everyone deciding the utilization of limited resources. Therefore, by definition, economic and political systems are linked under socialism. I guess, in theory, socialism could be employed under a democracy, republic, or oligarchy, but for the most part, the utopian types believe it is a democracy.

it isn't just a bunch of co-ops deciding what and how many units to make. Someone outside these "co-ops" will force that group to produce what they want.
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ey ey
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post

Nobody has to.
that was the point . Defection can only occur if the citizens are denied freedom of movement.U.S citizens free to move wherever they wish
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So does this mean one can't leave a co-op if one desires to?
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Because you quoted me, I'm assuming your comment is directed at me. The problem is that JapanAlex's characterization of socialism is incorrect. From the dictionary:
Socialism isn't about the workers controlling the means of production. It is about everyone deciding the utilization of limited resources. Therefore, by definition, economic and political systems are linked under socialism. I guess, in theory, socialism could be employed under a democracy, republic, or oligarchy, but for the most part, the utopian types believe it is a democracy.

it isn't just a bunch of co-ops deciding what and how many units to make. Someone outside these "co-ops" will force that group to produce what they want.
This was not aimed at you at all but rather in agreement with your previous post . Sorry if it was taken that way
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

Socialism isn't about the workers controlling the means of production. It is about everyone deciding the utilization of limited resources. Therefore, by definition, economic and political systems are linked under socialism. I guess, in theory, socialism could be employed under a democracy, republic or oligarchy, but, for the most part, the utopian types believe it is a democracy.

It isn't just a bunch of co-ops deciding what and how many units to make. Someone outside these "co-ops" will force that group, to produce what they want.

 

Technically, it is about the workers' owning and utilising the means of production first and foremost. Stop trying to rewrite a definition hundreds (if not thousands/millions) of people have decided before you. I agree, socialism could run under many political systems--hell, it could even work for a short period of time under a dictatorship, but the workers control the economy, so it wouldn't last very long. I never said anything about being an anarchist. I believe a government is necessary, to delegate and as a centralised mechanism.

 

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Venezuela and Cuba are socialist, aren't they?

 

No, not yet. They are state capitalists. Cuba are going fully socialist starting this year. I'm very excited about it.
 

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So does this mean one can't leave a co-op if one desires to?

 

Of course, you can. What kind of question is this (other than obvious cynicism/sarcasm)?

 

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Aren't the English selling their daughters into the grooming houses? To be deflowered and corrupted by the Saracens, England's newest masters?

 

Posts like this is why I love reading (and laughing at) this thread.
 

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Aren't those schools private, competitive, selective, and run by capitalists?

 

That's like saying, because I used to smoke at one time, I now am not allowed to be negative about smoking.
 

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I guarantee you there's no way he watched that video. It's an hour and a half long.

 

I watched that one along with most of his other ones. I like learning.
 

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The funny thing is: He presented the video like there's no chance we might have already seen it.

 

Stop projecting.
 

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It makes them think they are smarter by proxy.

 

I have an IQ of 138, so I don't need anyone or anything, to use as a foundation for my own intelligence.
 

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I can't believe such an obvious troll has lead so many of you on for so long.

 

Just because most of you are cynical idiots, doesn't mean everyone else is a troll.
 

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Now, go do your own research, and come back and talk to me intelligently about the GINI coefficient of wealth in some of the social democracies in northern Europe. Not the coefficient of income but the coefficient of wealth. Then, think what this shows in regards to what you feel is the necessary outcome of greater equality.

 

Many, many studies show these countries are better off, by in large, across all areas. If you don't know that, maybe you should do some research.

 

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Please provide me credible proof the top 1% own 75% of shares.

 

The chart you posted is accurate, but 'household' doesn't mean the poorest or middle class; it can also mean the richest individuals. That is just objective mathematics.

But, here's a quote from an article: 'The wealthiest 10% of all Americans own 81% of all shares of stock owned by U.S. households (as of 2010).' And, it's only gotten worse since then.

 

http://www.salon.com/2013/09/19/stock_ownership_who_benefits_partner/

 

http://www.cnbc.com/2014/09/08/the-stock-gap-american-stock-holdings-at-18-year-low.html

You guys can keep desperately trying to paint me as naive, unintelligent, unwise or incorrect, but you're gonna fall flat on your face every single time, so keep 'em coming. I'm enjoying this.


Edited by JapanAlex01 - 7/27/15 at 5:42am
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Oh shit guys, he's got a 138 IQ. Everybody back off slowly now.

"Technically, it is about the workers' owning and utilising the means of production first and foremost. Stop trying to rewrite a definition hundreds (if not thousands/millions) of people have decided before you. I agree, socialism could run under many political systems--hell, it could even work for a short period of time under a dictatorship, but the workers control the economy, so it wouldn't last very long. I never said anything about being an anarchist. I believe a government is necessary, to delegate and as a centralised mechanism"

This is just complete horseshit.
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Google (and every socialist on the planet) disagrees with you:

'Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.'

 

Mocking of intelligence is something dumb people have done since we evolved intelligence.

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138 IQ and you're still quoting wikipedia.

How about a legitimate dictionary?
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: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
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That dictionary is wrong; that is state capitalism.

 

From another legitimate dictionary:

 

Socialism

noun
  1. A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

 

From Wiki again (because you calling Wiki a corrupt source doesn't take any legitimacy from it, as you are an idiot, and Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia):

 

'State capitalism is usually described as an economic system in which commercial (i.e. for-profit) economic activity is undertaken by the state--where the means of production are organized and managed as business enterprises--including the processes of capital accumulation, wage labor and centralized management.'

 

The real stupidity is you arguing about the definition, when I have clearly stated what said definition is in terms of my argument. You are pulling at straws (because you are an idiot).

 

You're trolling and trying to derail me, as you clearly have no retort, to my clearly laid out benefits to socialism, and that worries you, as you have had a poor education and living environment which has taught you to distrust things you don't understand. That is not really your fault, but your persistent resistance to learning/debating something is.

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Usually around age 14 or so most people with higher IQs realize that it doesn't measure knowledge or wisdom.
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I never said it measures wisdom (knowledge, sure). Urgh, I hate the overuse of the word projecting but...

 

Why do I insist on continuing dead-end altercations with boneheads? I would probably be into S&M; I should try it...

 

Again, someone who can't give me a single reason why capitalism is better than socialism, and just focuses on some arbitrary bullshit (you brought up IQ, you'll say, but it was a sidenote and not the main linchpin of my argument which any reasonable adult would realise).

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Would you please provide proof of your IQ results? Thanks.
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I have done, I believe, 5 or so standardised tests over the past five or six years with, if I remember correctly, 138 being the average score with a couple of points variance either side.

 

Will I complete another one, because someone handled 'dopey' on the internet asked me to? No.

 

Again, more derailing and trolling. This is pretty amusing right now. No reasonable negatives to socialism over capitalism? Anyone?

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