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post #4201 of 5454
Not exactly political, but I have a FB friend (high-school acquaintance who I barely remember) who posts tear-jerking videos of a guy asking for food from strangers who ignore him and finally getting food from a homeless man, and of a homeless father and daughter who are ignored by strangers on the street. These videos are accompanied by sanctimonious messages along the lines of "If you have money and [would have refused to share food]/[can walk by the homeless father and child and not give], please remove me from your friend list. Shame on you." He seems like a nice enough guy otherwise, so I have not taken him up on his request.
post #4202 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Ambulance Chaser View Post

Not exactly political, but I have a FB friend (high-school acquaintance who I barely remember) who posts tear-jerking videos of a guy asking for food from strangers who ignore him and finally getting food from a homeless man, and of a homeless father and daughter who are ignored by strangers on the street. These videos are accompanied by sanctimonious messages along the lines of "If you have money and [would have refused to share food]/[can walk by the homeless father and child and not give], please remove me from your friend list. Shame on you." He seems like a nice enough guy otherwise, so I have not taken him up on his request.

You should ask him for a list of folks that's removed him.
post #4203 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Ambulance Chaser View Post

Not exactly political, but I have a FB friend (high-school acquaintance who I barely remember) who posts tear-jerking videos of a guy asking for food from strangers who ignore him and finally getting food from a homeless man, and of a homeless father and daughter who are ignored by strangers on the street. These videos are accompanied by sanctimonious messages along the lines of "If you have money and [would have refused to share food]/[can walk by the homeless father and child and not give], please remove me from your friend list. Shame on you." He seems like a nice enough guy otherwise, so I have not taken him up on his request.

 

While I'll agree that it seems a little overdramatic, I wouldn't call it sanctimonious. Just because, in this society, we're taught to scoff at people who stand up for social justice doesn't mean we should be myopic and unwise enough, to actually do it. I have unfriended people because they are too right-wing, or idiots who think socialism is bad/don't understand why capitalism is awful. I can tolerate intelligent people who have poor ideologies who may be won over, but I can't stand people who have poor ideologies and are set in their own stupidity. This guy might post what seems to some as overbearing posts, but at least he's trying to be a good person. How can any intelligent/wise person fault him for that? I think we need to point and laugh at bad people more, and not at people who are trying to be good.

post #4204 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post



I haven't seen a single news article suggesting that Trump is a "serious" candidate or has any chance to win. Do these people actually believe this stuff?

 

He's ahead in a few polls which doesn't mean anything right now, but I wouldn't put it past many idiots to vote for him. I heard one interviewee say he understands business, so he'd be able to fix the economy. Her complete lack of sanity astounded me. I don't think he knows how to tie his own shoes.

post #4205 of 5454
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Originally Posted by JapanAlex01 View Post

While I'll agree that it seems a little overdramatic, I wouldn't call it sanctimonious. Just because, in this society, we're taught to scoff at people who stand up for social justice doesn't mean we should be myopic and unwise enough, to actually do it. I have unfriended people because they are too right-wing, or idiots who think socialism is bad/don't understand why capitalism is awful. I can tolerate intelligent people who have poor ideologies who may be won over, but I can't stand people who have poor ideologies and are set in their own stupidity. This guy might post what seems to some as overbearing posts, but at least he's trying to be a good person. How can any intelligent/wise person fault him for that? I think we need to point and laugh at bad people more, and not at people who are trying to be good.

Except posting on facebook is not trying to be a good person. Trying to be a good person is volunteering at a soup kitchen, or contributing to charity, or taking some action. Posting on facebook is none of those. In fact, I would posit it actually makes you a bad person because by posting you make yourself feel better without doing anything of value, thus making one less likely to actually do something.

Slacktivists are disgusting human beings. They are not trying to be good people. They are trying to shit-lord over others how much they care, at the same time proving to any rational observer that they do not care.

Also, socialism is shit, capitalism is the only chance humanity has for a future without starvation and war, and the overwhelming vast majority of the homeless are addicts or mental deficients who aren't helped in the slightest by a single meal on the street. If you really wanted to help those people you need to lock them up and get them to take their meds.


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Edited by Harold falcon - 7/25/15 at 6:40am
post #4206 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

Except posting on facebook is not trying to be a good person. Trying to be a good person is volunteering at a soup kitchen, or contributing to charity, or taking some action. Posting on facebook is none of those. In fact, I would posit it actually makes you a bad person because by posting you make yourself feel better without doing anything of value, thus making one less likely to actually do something.

Slacktivists are disgusting human beings. They are not trying to be good people. They are trying to shit-lord over others how much they care, at the same time proving to any rational observer that they do not care.

Also, socialism is shit, capitalism is the only chance humanity has for a future without starvation and war, and the overwhelming vast majority of the homeless are addicts or mental deficients who aren't helped in the slightest by a single meal on the street. If you really wanted to help those people you need to lock them up and get them to take their meds.

 

OK, I understand the sentiment of your coined 'slacktovists', but, really, I think you're being the overdramatic one now. Caring is not apathy; let's not get confused here.

 

Your last bit about socialism puts you in the dumbest % of the world population. I presume you've probably had the usual American poor education on communism, but that is all the more reason for you to educate yourself on what socialism is and its benefits. Capitalism isn't the 'only chance for humanity'. GM foods and the destruction of capitalism will, actually, be the end of world hunger. Capitalism has caused wealth divide many times worse than that of the Victorian era (one that is commonly blasted for its inequality). Capitalism fuels war, as in a socialist society there would be far less arms trading by the system's inherent nature.

Study after study shows conclusive, objective fact, that it's over 70% cheaper, to put the homeless into free housing. Yes, you read that correctly. Your awful, inhuman attitude is the kind of thinking, that makes homelessness worse, and your belief that the majority of homeless people, at least, started with mental health issues is completely erroneous.

 

I am pretty certain you have absolutely no idea what socialism/communism is (as they are exactly the same thing--it's just about how you reach the end goal). I'd invite you to read up on what it is. But then, I guess you probably can't read.


Edited by JapanAlex01 - 7/25/15 at 6:54am
post #4207 of 5454
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Originally Posted by JapanAlex01 View Post

OK, I understand the sentiment of your coined 'slacktovists', but, really, I think you're being the overdramatic one now. Caring is not apathy; let's not get confused here.


Posting on facebook isn't caring. It's nothing. It's literally worthless shit. And I didn't coin slacktivists, that's been around for 20 years.

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Your last bit about socialism puts you in the dumbest % of the world population. I presume you've probably had the usual American poor education on communism, but that is all the more reason for you to educate yourself on what socialism is and its benefits. Capitalism isn't the 'only chance for humanity'. GM foods and the destruction of capitalism will, actually, be the end of world hunger. Capitalism has caused wealth divide many times worse than that of the Victorian era (one that is commonly blasted for its inequality). Capitalism fuels war, as in a socialist society there would be far less arms trading by the system's inherent nature.


Government fuels war, and it's only under government that war gets done. GE or Ford have not unilaterally attacked a foreign nation that poses no threat to the US. Apple has not immersed this country in a 14 year unwinnable war that has decimated our civil rights. You and your socialist friends did that.

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Study after study shows conclusive, objective fact, that it's over 70% cheaper, to put the homeless into free housing. Yes, you read that correctly. Your awful, inhuman attitude is the kind of thinking, that makes homelessness worse.


Cheaper than what? Look, if you just want to round them up and hide them away then by all means, put them in special neighborhoods. We can call them ghettos and maybe once or twice a decade go purge them. You and your socialist friends should be familiar with that kind of policy. But if you actually want to help them you'd give them their meds. You obviously don't want to help them, because then how can you justify the existence of the state you venerate?

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I am pretty certain you have absolutely no idea what socialism/communism is (as they are exactly the same thing--it's just about how you reach the end goal). I invite you to read up on what it is.


I've heard so many different definitions from you people all trying to distance yourselves from Nazi Germany and Communist Russia that it's clear you people don't understand what socialism or communism is. Although you're one of the first I've found to admit that they're fundamentally the same thing, so kudos on that.
post #4208 of 5454

Jesus, did you even go to school? Kindergarten? High school?

 

Russia and China were not and are not communist, so there's your first mistake (well, not first). We have not had one communist country on this planet ever throughout history. We have had several state capitalist nations, but I'm sure you don't know this, because you're an idiot.

 

I never said to hide homeless people away. I said, if you build free housing for homeless people, it uses less money overall, than leaving them on the street, and is far more humane to boot.

 

Do I really have to give a lesson on socialism right now, or am I just talking to an eight-year-old kid here?

Further reading for the illiterate: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/02/housing-first-solution-to-homelessness-utah

'The old model was well intentioned but misinformed. You actually need housing to achieve sobriety and stability, not the other way around.'

post #4209 of 5454
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Originally Posted by JapanAlex01 View Post

Jesus, did you even go to school? Kindergarten? High school?

Russia and China were not and are not communist, so there's your first mistake. We have not had one communist country on this planet ever throughout history. We have had several state capitalist nations, but I'm sure you don't know this, because you're an idiot.

I didn't mention China, but that's a good point, they were also quite communist until the last 30 years or so where they've slowly turned more capitalistic and have enjoyed unprecedented growth and wealth.
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I never said to hide homeless people away. I said, if you build free housing for homeless people, it uses less money overall, than leaving them on the street, and is far more humane to boot.

Well I can pretty much promise you they're not going to build homeless housing in nice neighborhoods. They're going to build them far away, and isolate them so the regular folk don't have to interact with them. And since you aren't requiring any of them to take their meds it's going to be like NYC in Escape from New York, full of maniacs and rapists and degenerates. Nice job, I'm sure the homeless appreciate how much you care for them. There's really nothing humane about that.
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Do I really have to give a lesson on socialism right now, or am I just talking to an eight-year-old kid here?

I don't need a lesson on failed economic systems right now, thank you.
post #4210 of 5454

Quite funny how you've mentioned China's growth. That has absolutely nothing to do with it going from going a state capitalist to a... oh wait, they are still majoritively a state capitalist nation. I.e. they are exactly the same, economically, as they were decades ago. Socialism/communism is when companies are run as co-ops, and the government runs no businesses, and china has never done that.

 

The real reason China has grown so much is because of the West's capitalism. Ironic how we get poorer and they get richer, because they provide far cheaper labour, and so all our capitalists move production over there. Again, this wouldn't happen in a socialist environment, as the workers would have a vested interest in keeping labour inside their own country (because they'd lose their jobs).

 

How can socialism have failed, if the only country that is trying it--in 2015 and no earlier--is Cuba who have only strengthened their economy over the years?

 

Do I have to point out, that you just called all homeless people rapists? I feel sorry for your neighbours, co-workers and family members who have to interact with you on a daily basis.

post #4211 of 5454
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Originally Posted by JapanAlex01 View Post

Quite funny how you've mentioned China's growth. That has absolutely nothing to do with it going from going a state capitalist to a... oh wait, they are still majoritively a state capitalist nation. I.e. they are exactly the same, economically, as they were decades ago. Socialism/communism is when companies are run as co-ops, and the government runs no businesses, and china has never done that.


Yeah, no. That's not what socialism/communism is, regardless of what your Professor in Poly-Sci is telling you.
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The real reason China has grown so much is because of the West's capitalism. Ironic how we get poorer and they get richer, because they provide far cheaper labour, and so all our capitalists move production over there. Again, this wouldn't happen in a socialist environment, as the workers would have a vested interest in keeping labour inside their own country (because they'd lose their jobs).


It's not ironic at all, it's a clear result of this country turning more socialist and China becoming more free. On balance, the US is still far more free than China, but that gap is shrinking everytime we invade some shitty third world country most people have never heard of.
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How can socialism have failed, if the only country that is trying it--and, in 2015 and no earlier--is Cuba?

Because Cuba isn't the only country to have tried it. You really need to crack open History 101.
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Do I have to point out, that you just called all homeless people rapists? I feel sorry for your neighbours, co-workers and family members who have to interact with you on a daily basis.

I did not call all homeless people rapists, you need to read better. I called some homeless people rapists, the rest I called maniacs and degenerates.

I feel sorry for you, not your neighbours or co-workers or family members. To exist in such a state of naive ignorance must feel nice, but that's only because you've never been exposed to reality. I encourage you to travel and learn more about the world first-hand and try to think critically for yourself rather than just accept the garbage you vacuum up on facebook and through your University Professors.
post #4212 of 5454

That is exactly what socialism is, as described by the people who invented it.

 

Socialism and freedom are not opposing ideologies, jackass. Technically, capitalism is labour enslavement, and so is leaps and bounds worse than socialism for freedom. Something I thought Americans cared about, haw.

 

History 101? There hasn't been a fully socialist state ever. Ask any historian you like. There has not been one country who have relinquished state-controlled business to workers.

 

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I did not call all homeless people rapists; you need to read better. I called some homeless people rapists; the rest I called maniacs and degenerates.

 

Wow... just wow. Next, you'll be advocating shooting the homeless.

More reading: http://mic.com/articles/86251/study-reveals-it-costs-less-to-give-the-homeless-housing-than-to-leave-them-on-the-street

 

I feel sorry for me, too; I am still arguing with you--someone who is clearly inhuman and in the lowest IQ percentage range.

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That is exactly what socialism is, as described by the people who invented it.


I'm not sure who you think invented socialism, I'd guess you're referring to Carly Marx and Freddy Engels, in which case you're embarrassingly wrong.

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Socialism and freedom are not opposing ideologies, jackass. Technically, capitalism is labour enslavement, and so is leaps and bounds worse than socialism for freedom. Something I thought Americans cared about, haw.


Well no socialist country has ever been even remotely free, so yeah, it is opposed to freedom.

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History 101? There hasn't been a fully socialist state ever. Ask any historian you like. There has not been one country who have relinquished state-controlled business to workers.


Yeah, and I've got an invisible floating dragon in my garage if you'd like to take a look.

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Wow... just wow.


Have you ever actually met a homeless person?

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I feel sorry for me, too; I am still arguing with you--someone who is clearly inhuman and in the lowest IQ percentage range.

Inhuman and stupid and yet it's clear I know more about world history and international economics than you've learned in all your years at Oxford. I wonder if that means anything.
post #4214 of 5454

Socialism was invented by many different people collectively as an idea in the 19th century--so, long before Karl Marx.

 

Socialism, by inherent nature, only adds freedom to people. Capitalism, by inherent nature, takes freedom away. Capitalism is an extension of feudalism (Lord and serf/owner and worker) which I doubt many people would call freedom for the average person.

 

Yes, I have met homeless people. Some of them are ex-army, some of them are young people with awful parents, some of them are drug users, some of them are just too poor to get a foot up. Just like everyone, there are too many individuals in this equation, to call them all this or that.

 

You have not even a basic understanding of what socialism and capitalism are, so how could you even imagine understanding basic economics?

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Socialism was invented by many different people collectively as an idea in the 19th century--so, long before Karl Marx.


Much earlier than that, but good try.

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Socialism, by inherent nature, only adds freedom to people. Capitalism, by inherent nature, takes freedom away. Capitalism is an extension of feudalism (Lord and serf/owner and worker).


I mean, I guess if define freedom as "being told what to do", "being told where to work", "being told how much you can make", and "being told what's best for you" then yeah, socialism is a real freedom+.

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Yes, I have met homeless people. Some of them are ex-army, some of them are young people with awful parents, some of them are drug users, some of them are just too poor to get a foot up. Just like everyone, there are too many individuals in this equation, to call them all this or that.


I doubt you've actually met many. You're just repeating internet stereotypes now.

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You have not even a basic understanding of what socialism and capitalism are, so how could you even imagine understanding basic economics?


I got As in both macro and micro economics at the community college I attended.
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