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post #4126 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

Amusing that every single of those articles you linked to shows a picture of the flag carefully framed so as not to show the memorial (or much of it).

 

Is the media coverage in Alabama more to your liking?

 


From NBC: "The Confederate flags removed were part of the Confederate Memorial Monument on the state grounds."

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/confederate-flag-furor/alabama-gov-robert-bentley-orders-confederate-flag-taken-down-capitol-n380946

post #4127 of 5454
I wonder if the governor actually has the authority to remove flags from the capitol. Seems like a potential separation of powers issue to me.

It's almost fitting, though, that the flags would be pulled down by an overreaching executive's fiat. It's the sort of thing they were raised to fight in the first place.
post #4128 of 5454
Well that took me about 30 seconds to find:

http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article13917458.html

November 2014
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Overall, 61 percent of South Carolinians said the flag should continue to fly where it is, while 33 percent say it should not.

When broken down by race, three out of four whites – 73 percent – said the flag should continue flying, while 61 percent of blacks said it should come down.

Fifty-three percent of whites thought strongly it should stay up, while 51 percent of blacks said it should come down.
post #4129 of 5454

You do realize that something happened between that poll and now that is causing people to change their opinion, right? That's the whole point of what many of these politicians are saying. Remember this guy from a page or two back:

 

What about SC State Representative Norman D. Brannon, who is a Republican and represents a conservative district in the state. He's filing a bill in the next session to remove the flag. He said, “What lit the fire under this was the tragic death of my friend and his eight parishioners. It took my buddy’s death to get me to do this. I should feel ashamed of myself.”

post #4130 of 5454
I agree that opinions have changed on one side, as blacks apparently didn't feel that strongly about the flag issue prior to all this agitation, but have opinions on the other side changed, or are they just afraid to speak in defense of the flag given the way the media has treated the issue?

And, besides, as we've seen with issues like gun control, (apparent or professed) changes in public opinion following inflammatory incidents tend to return to where they started after short periods of time. I guess that's why they're in such a hurry to pull down the flags.
post #4131 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

I agree that opinions have changed on one side, as blacks apparently didn't feel that strongly about the flag issue prior to all this agitation, but have opinions on the other side changed, or are they just afraid to speak in defense of the flag given the way the media has treated the issue?

 

Well, the people on the other side have vociferously opposed the media on every other possible lefty issue imaginable. But, magically, the media got to them this time? And in a matter of a few days? With no elections around the corner? And in southern states where the voting population would likely react negatively to this capitulating to the media? You really are making no sense.

post #4132 of 5454
No elections around the corner supports my point, not yours. Certainly I am not going to claim that lawmakers accurately represent their constituents on issues like this.
post #4133 of 5454
This is a white guilt bender.

People will wake up in a few weeks feeling dirty and used.
post #4134 of 5454

Politicians are motivated by very few things: getting elected, power/influence, money, and doing what they think is right.

 

What is possibly motivating these politicians? It's not getting elected, since there are no elections forthcoming. It's not power/influece or money, because they gain none of that. It's shocking, I know, but maybe they think they are just doing what they now believe may be the right thing to do.

post #4135 of 5454
I see that we've broken away from talking about whether it is or isn't divisive among the population at large and have moved over to talking about politicians. But very well--power, influence, and money is exactly what's driving this. The GOP establishment wants the confederate flag to go away and forever because they're tired of having it used as a club against them, because this "republicans are racists" line is effective with a tiny percentage of voters on the national level -- where a tiny percentage of voters makes a big difference. They're betting -- correctly, no doubt -- that they can sell out their constituents on this issue because the Democrats have so completely alienated white southerners that there's no alternative anymore.

There's also local power and influence at play since no one wants to be marginalized in the state capitol by being branded a racist, even if he can get reelected. The local politicians are willing to do it now because they see it as an opportunity to get away with it, since they have an immediate excuse, and, as you point out, they're not in danger of being held accountable for it for a while.

And I'm sure some of them do think it's the right thing to do, as elected representatives are nearly always drawn from the more liberal elite and are usually less interested in social issues than they are in in helping their buddies in business make money.
post #4136 of 5454
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Originally Posted by zbromer View Post

Politicians are motivated by very few things: getting elected, power/influence, money, and doing what they think is right.

What is possibly motivating these politicians? It's not getting elected, since there are no elections forthcoming. It's not power/influece or money, because they gain none of that. It's shocking, I know, but maybe they think they are just doing what they now believe may be the right thing to do.


You left out "Political Grandstanding". These people run for election because their souls are empty and they need foo.gif like attention. It's not just about power and greed (although those are primary motivators). Sometimes they just want to be paid attention to.
post #4137 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post


You left out "Political Grandstanding". These people run for election because their souls are hollow and they need foo.gif like attention. It's not just about power and greed (although they are primary motivators). Sometimes they just want to be paid attention to.

 

That's a fair addition. Popularity and attention are certainly motivators.

post #4138 of 5454
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Originally Posted by MrG View Post

That said, the way it was changed was ridiculous. In a lot of ways, it was our political system at its worst.

Holy shit Roy was so out of control it was fucking amazing. Aaaaaaaaaaaand let's keep our majority by having 3 Dems represent one area.
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Originally Posted by zbromer View Post

But the Georgia flag was changed in 2003 (2001 to be technical)

FWIW it was changed both years. Once to the Bonnie Blue flag G referenced in 2001 and in 2003 to what we have now.
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The 2001 Georgia flag was an abomination, wasn't it? I remember people complaining that Mississippians might have voted for the Magnolia flag if it had been offered instead of what was disparagingly called the pizza flag.



Ironically the Magnolia flag was a secession flag (and the new Georgia flag is based off them), while the battle flag everyone hates arose in defense against the northern invasion rather than secession.
post #4140 of 5454
"Northern invasion". Lol. You fucking southerners. Just can't let shit go, can you?
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