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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Along that line, when I was a youngster, my brother was working at a parts casting plant that sold to the local Big Three plants. The union at this foundry, which was privately owned by a local family, went on strike with outrageous demands. The owners opened the books entirely to the union showing the plant would go bankrupt if they met the demands. The union claimed the books were cooked and refused to budge. The plant closed up with the workers still picketing.

Fucking idiots and this little demonstration of stupid has stuck with me my entire life.

Idiots indeed.
I guess that's my takeaway: the organisation in itself isn't bad, it's the moronic greedy idiots that use them for their own betterment that are.

Fwiw, I've grown up with plenty of union stories where they did do good. In particular in times when the company needed restructuring and they worked with the new management to figure out a way to save the company..one way he (family of mine) worked with, and ultimately undermined the union, was to set up a profit sharing deal in return for cutting the salaries to a branche normal point.

Those that didn't accept would be let go relatively quickly and those that stayed would have a major incentive to better the company, and as a rule didn't care about the union anymore. Either that, or fold the company and put everybody on the street.
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It seems to me unions in Europe are far more likely to work with management than unions in the US and Canada. Unions here tend to be very belligerent towards the very structure that keeps their members employed. It's a puzzling paradigm.
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I think only Germany (and possibly the Nordic countries) have a fairly collaborative relationship between management and unions. I'm quite certain that's not the case in France and the Southern countries.
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Originally Posted by Joffrey View Post

I think only Germany (and possibly the Nordic countries) have a fairly collaborative relationship between management and unions. I'm quite certain that's not the case in France and the Southern countries.

VW wanted to unionize its plant in Tennessee. The workers wouldn't have it.

Sometimes Germans can be so dense. German unions aren't like U.S. unions.
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

VW wanted to unionize its plant in Tennessee. The workers wouldn't have it.

Sometimes Germans can be so dense. German unions aren't like U.S. unions.

I think that's an over-simplification. VW wanted to unionize so it could try a system similar to their German factories. This seemed unlikely - it would have ended up more like standard union factories here. Also, it turned into a political circus with some Republicans threatening to remove the VW subsidies the state gives them. Then the Democrats accused VW of bullying/whatever to prevent the vote from passing.
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Originally Posted by Joffrey View Post

I think only Germany (and possibly the Nordic countries) have a fairly collaborative relationship between management and unions. I'm quite certain that's not the case in France and the Southern countries.
This is quite untrue there are many unions within the U.S.that enjoy highly collaborative relationships . I myself have been a member of one such for 40 yrs . Very few of our signatories if any would have it any other way . Knee jerk responses to the evil unions have gone a long w,ay toward degrading the working conditions and low wages. of american workers today
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I love when people share Robert Reich posts
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Thirty years ago, on its opening day in 1984, Donald Trump stood in a dark topcoat on the casino floor at Atlantic City’s Trump Plaza, celebrating his new investment as the finest building in Atlantic City and possibly the nation.

Several months ago the Trump Plaza folded and the Trump Taj Mahal filed for bankruptcy, leaving some 1,000 employees without jobs. Trump, meanwhile, was on twitter claiming he had “nothing to do with Atlantic City,” and praising himself for his “great timing” in getting out of the investment.

Now he's running for President.

In America, people with lots of money can easily avoid the consequences of bad bets and big losses by cashing out at the first sign of trouble. The laws protect them through limited liability and bankruptcy. But workers who move to a place like Atlantic City for a job, invest in a home there, and build their skills, have no such protection. Jobs vanish, skills are suddenly irrelevant, and home values plummet. They’re stuck with the mess.

Bankruptcy was designed so people could start over. But these days, the only ones starting over are big corporations, Wall Street, and wealthy moguls like Trump.
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Robert Reich has no clue about investing. I don't understand how he can't know. Was his father a brainwashed union man? The US schools, k12, teach and the unions push to be irresponsible and that you need your hand held until you die. Depend on government. College level thinking isn't intelligent enough and misleading millions of students through their k12 education. Even today there is no proper lessons on how to think about investing, much more on investing itself. Reich clearly writes he doesn't have any clues, and he has a college degree (college level thinking). A guy unqualified to write about money management is writing horse feathers. The people who published the horse feathers are college educated, too, (supposed to have college level thinking) and yet they printed the horse feathers.
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Originally Posted by greger View Post

The US schools, k12, teach and the unions push to be irresponsible and that you need your hand held until you die. Depend on government.

My favorite Facebook progressive posted this the other day.




You're posting this from the Internet. Do some research. Read an article. Watch a Youtube video. Worst case scenario, sign up for a class. Don't be a useless helpless baby.
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In other words, everything you should have been taught by real life, rather than in your sheltered, liberal, Common-core existence.

I want it all, but I'm going to legislate education into the toilet and then complain instead.
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Originally Posted by El Argentino View Post

In other words, everything you should have been taught by real life, rather than in your sheltered, liberal, Common-core existence.

Or, you know, by your parents.


It always amazes me that "balance a checkbook" makes it onto those lists. A) how fucking dumb do you have to be to not be able to balance a checkbook? B) who writes checks anymore?
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Was going to bring up the nuclear family, but honestly thought I'd be laughed off in that assumption
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Balance the old cheque book takes math and math is hard.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

My favorite Facebook progressive posted this the other day.




You're posting this from the Internet. Do some research. Read an article. Watch a Youtube video. Worst case scenario, sign up for a class. Don't be a useless helpless baby.


This is really hilarious. There are literally thousands of videos on youtube showing exactly how to do these things. Jesus Christ, I created and posted a youtube video showing step by step instructions on how to change the oil of a Kawasaki Vulcan motorcycle and a Jeep Wrangler.
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Originally Posted by Harold falcon View Post

This is really hilarious. There are literally thousands of videos on youtube showing exactly how to do these things. Jesus Christ, I created and posted a youtube video showing step by step instructions on how to change the oil of a Kawasaki Vulcan motorcycle and a Jeep Wrangler.

I sorta get not knowing some of those things at 18, but A) that's what your fucking parents are for, B) you can pretty much get away with most of it if you're not fucking stupid and learn it when it actually matters. Nobody with a decent upbringing needs to do a cost/benefit analysis for having a kid at 18. It's kids with bad parents who do that. Having some teacher droning on about how much it costs is sure as fuck not going to change anything.


This is where the progressive movement loses me. I don't want to replace all personal (and parental) responsibility with The State stepping in and doing it. We need to be doing more to teach kids how to learn on their own, not spoon feeding them stupid bullshit that anyone with a 7th grade education can learn in 20 minutes on Youtube. Lots of people get paid damn good money to look shit up on Google (IT professionals and most of science, at the very least), and that's doing fairly advanced stuff. These fuckers can learn to change a tire.




Also I've been drinking
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