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post #346 of 5454
Ironically, the most difficult thing about post-structuralist writing for me was the occasional off-the-wall appropriation of scientific terminology. You'd be putting along just fine, and then they'd throw in some word like "syzygy" that would send you scrambling for a dictionary.
post #347 of 5454
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Originally Posted by tagutcow View Post

Well I can speak from the knowledge gleaned from wearying, interminable personal correspondences with him that- yes- redcaimen is really, really old. I mean, like, holy shit…
I have gazed upon his cadaverous visage- wizened as much by decades of debauched living as by age- and have shuddered deep in my soul.
But yes, much like a postmodern Pierrot le mime, this old man goes about aping the irony of hipsters and disaffectedness of teenagers in his disturbing and unsettling parody of the young, the vital, and all those unembittered by the twilight of their own relevance.

My rather prominent ears began to burn this morning. Now I know why. Well, Tagut, you can just forget that poem I was going to write about you!

Heres a sketch that captures both my likeness and general age for those who are not interested in either.

YourMoveBitch.png


"In the greatest confusion there is still an open channel to the soul. It may be difficult to find because by midlife it is overgrown, and some of the wildest thickets that surround it grow out of what we describe as our education. But the channel is always there, and it is our business to keep it open, to have access to the deepest part of ourselves-to that part of us which is conscious to a higher consciousness, by means of which we make final decisions and put everything together. The independence of this consciousness, which has the strength to be immune to the noise of history and the distractions of our immediate surroundings, is what the life struggle is all about."

+1

Why is this quote like Wolfsbane to a particular sensibility?
post #348 of 5454
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Originally Posted by deadly7 View Post

If you don't know how to write to a broader audience and feel the need to get your ego stroked by your peers, that's your business. I don't decry the use of jargon -- it's an inescapable characteristic of specializing in a field. When I read a paper that has the issue I'm describing, it reads like an undergraduate's attempt at inflating his professor's view of himself by opening up the thesaurus and picking the biggest word possible in every situation. As for my point being untenable, that's a farcical claim and if you expect me to cede that you're the one that would have to prove it.

Let me recap your interventions:
1) You don’t like humanities because of some gibberish quote from a troll.
2) You associate that troll quote with actual language used in the humanities because of a couple classes you took and, although you admit you don’t know much, you’re still absolutely certain, having repeated it a couple times, that people use jargon to inflate their own ego and/or to give an aura of complexity to affirmations that could have been more easily communicated in a simpler language.
3) You feel that complicated jargon or metalanguage used in one specific area of the humanities (what they call French theory or critical theory or whatever you were exposed to), leaving aside the fact that you don’t understand it, is used for the purposes described in point 2), yet you hate ALL humanities because of this relatively marginal area of studies. What did anthropology ever do to you? Did gypsy anthropologist kidnap your baby?
4) WTF do you want me to argue against exactly? Your reasoning doesn’t stand up to the simplest of scrutiny. Oh and there is a lot of bullshit that is written in academia, humanities or not. There is also a lot of bullshit written/said/powerpointed in businesses, in government, in reporting, in publicity, in private email, on facebook, carved on trees or in pit stops used for gay encounters and pretty much everything else. What else is new?
post #349 of 5454
How does one with no imagination, no innate talent, and a sloppy mind make a career in academia?

Go into a field where there is no measurable product. Go into a field with an invented language, where one can take a simple, stupid idea and turn it into a 14,000 word article or thesis. Throw some french names into the mix, put on a pair of skinny jeans and a polka dot scarf, and Bob's Your Uncle.
post #350 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

How does one with no imagination, no innate talent, and a sloppy mind make a career in academia?
Go into a field where there is no measurable product. Go into a field with an invented language, where one can take a simple, stupid idea and turn it into a 14,000 word article or thesis. Throw some french names into the mix, put on a pair of skinny jeans and a polka dot scarf, and Bob's Your Uncle.

No idea but most academics seem to be clueless fucks who waste government money while thinking they do something really important (I once heard one say that if there were no academics nobody would read books or watch Shakespeare completely seriously), I think to qualify you need to have a labotomy first.
post #351 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post


Oh and there is a lot of bullshit that is written in academia, humanities or not. There is also a lot of bullshit written/said/powerpointed in businesses, in government, in reporting, in publicity, in private email, on facebook, carved on trees or in pit stops used for gay encounters and pretty much everything else. What else is new?

The main difference being that academics should primarily be concerned with the advancement of truth and wisdom in students, whereas a company's quest for workflow synergy isn't presupposed to exist in a forum of incorruptible enlightenment.
post #352 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

Let me recap your interventions:
1) You don’t like humanities because of some gibberish quote from a troll.
2) You associate that troll quote with actual language used in the humanities because of a couple classes you took and, although you admit you don’t know much, you’re still absolutely certain, having repeated it a couple times, that people use jargon to inflate their own ego and/or to give an aura of complexity to affirmations that could have been more easily communicated in a simpler language.
3) You feel that complicated jargon or metalanguage used in one specific area of the humanities (what they call French theory or critical theory or whatever you were exposed to), leaving aside the fact that you don’t understand it, is used for the purposes described in point 2), yet you hate ALL humanities because of this relatively marginal area of studies. What did anthropology ever do to you? Did gypsy anthropologist kidnap your baby?
4) WTF do you want me to argue against exactly? Your reasoning doesn’t stand up to the simplest of scrutiny. Oh and there is a lot of bullshit that is written in academia, humanities or not. There is also a lot of bullshit written/said/powerpointed in businesses, in government, in reporting, in publicity, in private email, on facebook, carved on trees or in pit stops used for gay encounters and pretty much everything else. What else is new?

But those people in those don't write "people read" as "The individual member of the social community often receives his information via visual, symbolic channels," and other such nonsense on a regular basis, do they?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_Affair

Are all academics trolls then? Perhaps they should resign their positions and stop wasting government money on trolling.
post #353 of 5454
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Originally Posted by redcaimen View Post

"In the greatest confusion there is still an open channel to the soul. It may be difficult to find because by midlife it is overgrown, and some of the wildest thickets that surround it grow out of what we describe as our education. But the channel is always there, and it is our business to keep it open, to have access to the deepest part of ourselves-to that part of us which is conscious to a higher consciousness, by means of which we make final decisions and put everything together. The independence of this consciousness, which has the strength to be immune to the noise of history and the distractions of our immediate surroundings, is what the life struggle is all about."

Ah, I understand now; it was this, rather than the Wikipedia quote, that was "stupid right wing essentialist thinking meets new agism feel good bullshit." I wonder how this idea- that education sometimes will not help us follow our own calling, and can even sometime prove a hinderance to it- is supposed to yield to a proper, dutiful obsequity to institutional education, as Fuuma- he of the iconoclastic left wing anarchist turn of mind, natch- hopes it eventually will. I suspect it has something to do with Mordecai being cowed into acquiescence by a relentless campaign of sniffy remarks.

What makes a great artist, or a great human being- which is what Bellows was concerned with- is usually far different from what makes a great academic or a great student. Funny that, while defending academic argot from the philistine hordes, Fuuma is actually advancing his own form of parochialism.
post #354 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Sir Humphrey Appleby View Post

But those people in those don't write "people read" as "The individual member of the social community often receives his information via visual, symbolic channels," and other such nonsense on a regular basis, do they?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_Affair
Are all academics trolls then? Perhaps they should resign their positions and stop wasting government money on trolling.

I think the main thing he exposed was the importance of rigorous peer review for anything that a journal is willing to put their name behind. I could probably schmooze up to the editor in chief of a third rate financial review (not gonna name names) and get a paper consisting of nothing but running the same model over different datasets published with a speculative conclusion about 'further research and/or more complex modeling is necessary to explore the apparent differences etc'.
post #355 of 5454
Jesus Christ people, words, sentences, thoughts....less of that bullshit and more memes plz
post #356 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Sir Humphrey Appleby View Post

But those people in those don't write "people read" as "The individual member of the social community often receives his information via visual, symbolic channels," and other such nonsense on a regular basis, do they?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_Affair
Are all academics trolls then? Perhaps they should resign their positions and stop wasting government money on trolling.

I called the Sokal affair reference earlier; I hope I get some styleforum status point so I can impress the other members of the inner circle. FYI the main point to take out of it is that there have been some cases where researchers in the humanities have borrowed scientific concepts and mangled them beyond recognition for their own devices. Lacan and his take on some advanced mathematics being a relatively good example. It is thus quite true that being wary of such things and building bridges between disciplines is more important than ever. The rest is typical rivalry undermining this useful reminder. This is not the first bullshit/fraud article to be published in this field or many others (including hard sciences) so it’s not humanities-specific, not that it should undermine the point I made about building bridges.

As for your rabid academic hate well, I hate the British so I guess we both hate some groups of people. I’m just more rational than you about it because, I mean, have you seen their teeth?
post #357 of 5454
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Originally Posted by javyn View Post

Jesus Christ people, words, sentences, thoughts....less of that bullshit and more memes plz

Besides the StyleForum bozos, my facebook friends list is padded out with Hooters waitresses I've never met and Charlotte Lady Cats cheerleaders. They don't provide me with any stupid political crap to post here. Actually, as a whole, they seem far more sensible and rational than the StyleForum bozos.
post #358 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Nereis View Post

I think the main thing he exposed was the importance of rigorous peer review for anything that a journal is willing to put their name behind. I could probably schmooze up to the editor in chief of a third rate financial review (not gonna name names) and get a paper consisting of nothing but running the same model over different datasets published with a speculative conclusion about 'further research and/or more complex modeling is necessary to explore the apparent differences etc'.

Agreed ..... and I think this could be a lot of fun for a 01/04 publication date! biggrin.gif
post #359 of 5454
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Originally Posted by tagutcow View Post

Ah, I understand now; it was this, rather than the Wikipedia quote, that was "stupid right wing essentialist thinking meets new agism feel good bullshit." I wonder how this idea- that education sometimes will not help us follow our own calling, and can even sometime prove a hinderance to it- is supposed to yield to a proper, dutiful obsequity to institutional education, as Fuuma- he of the iconoclastic left wing anarchist turn of mind, natch- hopes it eventually will. I suspect it has something to do with Mordecai being cowed into acquiescence by a relentless campaign of sniffy remarks.
What makes a great artist, or a great human being- which is what Bellows was concerned with- is usually far different from what makes a great academic or a great student. Funny that, while defending academic argot from the philistine hordes, Fuuma is actually advancing his own form of parochialism.

Hmm no, you are fighting a windmill of your own design. I just find it EXTREMELY naive that someone would call for us to step out of history and our own education, the later going well beyond schooling and propose we do this through some vague, mystical soul channel. You can do this through double historicization (or similar approaches) and it still is but a patch to something you cannot really step out of. Once again I certainly hope that by education he means the whole of socialization and not just school, but I am afraid it is a specific charge leveled at universities. I guess such debates are also useful and the purpose and practices of universities certainly need to be critically interrogated.
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