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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

Where your studies based on chosing between the former and the later? Allan Bloom was a reactionary and that Saul Bellow quote is stupid right wing essentialist thinking meets new agism feel good bullshit but I certainly won't bother to correct Mordecai, time will hopefully do it for me.

Lol
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Lol

Was Fuuma referring to your quote that your professors were to the left of Stalin, or was he mistakenly attributing someone else's quote to you? Hell, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume the latter.
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1 + 1 = a window
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I took a political science class in college that was taught by a senile old man. He'd spent a couple years putting cars together in the 50s (I guess) and had made a career bitching about it. He assigned a lot of reading (including his own awful work), but he'd never talk about it in class. Instead, he'd ramble about management and workers. Anyway, fast forward to the final exam. One question, literally 60% of the test, was about a metaphor used in exactly one of those random assignments. One of those obnoxious "gotcha" questions like how they say the bar exam used to be. Problem is, that year he'd forgotten to assign that particular work. Or maybe he had, just in another class. Everyone is looking around in disbelief, cursing under their breath. I just wrote about how the workers are oppressed by management--poor, poor workers. Got an "A."
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In my limited experience, sentences like what I quoted are commonplace in humanities literature. I took a few classes in undergrad and realized "Well fuck, that's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing of value" and gave up on that area. If you understand and enjoy it, all the more power to you, but don't pretend that logorrhea makes your literature any better.
For more on the subject, I present the words of the brilliant Mr. Richard Feynman:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbosity

http://linguafranca.mirror.theinfo.org/9912/writing.html

Old debate but not that easy to settle as you think it is.....

Oh and if you don't understand it how can you claim it doesn't make "my" literature better?

Once again sentences like the one quoted take the appearance of coming from the humanities but they don't; they're merely parodies. If you cannot understand the difference then your opinion is meaningless...
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Once again sentences like the one quoted take the appearance of coming from the humanities but they don't; they're merely parodies.

They are? I thought it was a pretty sincere statement.
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They are? I thought it was a pretty sincere statement.

You think lighthouse would make a sincere statement? He's another one of the CE teenagers/hipsters, along redcaiman and whoever else. That they're probably old and about as hip as Santorum is irrelevent; they have the attitude and way of arguing.
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They are? I thought it was a pretty sincere statement.

From what I gather there is a lot of noise out there. But eventually you do get to the point where jargon has to come in, as with any field.
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You think lighthouse would make a sincere statement? He's another one of the CE teenagers/hipsters, along redcaiman and whoever else. That they're probably old and about as hip as Santorum is irrelevent; they have the attitude and way of arguing.

Oh, I thought you were still talking about the book or whatever it was.
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http://linguafranca.mirror.theinfo.org/9912/writing.html
Old debate but not that easy to settle as you think it is.....
Oh and if you don't understand it how can you claim it doesn't make "my" literature better?
Once again sentences like the one quoted take the appearance of coming from the humanities but they don't; they're merely parodies. If you cannot understand the difference then your opinion is meaningless...
Let's play a little game because now I'm intrigued. I have an educational background in the sciences. You, I would guess, have one in a humanities discipline. So here's the game we'll play: You pick one journal from your background. I will read the language of the first 10 pages worth of articles from the current issue (or whichever most recent one I have access to) and post my findings. You have to do the same for a scientific print journal. Rules are: ignore obvious jargon. See if sentence structure and word selection make sense.

Obviously this will be a very limited sample size, but your linked article claims that such verbiage is necessary to represent "critical thinking".

I pick the Journal of the ACS.
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Originally Posted by Nereis View Post

From what I gather there is a lot of noise out there. But eventually you do get to the point where jargon has to come in, as with any field.
I don't have a problem with using jargon. I have a problem with purposefully obfuscating your sentence to make it seem like you're saying something of value.
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Originally Posted by deadly7 View Post

Let's play a little game because now I'm intrigued. I have an educational background in the sciences. You, I would guess, have one in a humanities discipline. So here's the game we'll play: You pick one journal from your background. I will read the language of the first 10 pages worth of articles from the current issue (or whichever most recent one I have access to) and post my findings. You have to do the same for a scientific print journal. Rules are: ignore obvious jargon. See if sentence structure and word selection make sense.
Obviously this will be a very limited sample size, but your linked article claims that such verbiage is necessary to represent "critical thinking".
I pick the Journal of the ACS.
I don't have a problem with using jargon. I have a problem with purposefully obfuscating your sentence to make it seem like you're saying something of value.

How about you concede the point as you know your position is intellectually untenable? I'm not going to read some biology journal or whatever just for fun, it's not like I'll understand shit. Probably due to the jargon devil.gif

Why don't you read some social science books you find enjoyable and understandable and leave it at that. Reading postmodern thinking without knowing about modernism is pointless anyway....
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Oh, I thought you were still talking about the book or whatever it was.

Oh, not really. Sorry.
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You think lighthouse would make a sincere statement? He's another one of the CE teenagers/hipsters, along redcaiman…

Well I can speak from the knowledge gleaned from wearying, interminable personal correspondences with him that- yes- redcaimen is really, really old. I mean, like, holy shit…

I have gazed upon his cadaverous visage- wizened as much by decades of debauched living as by age- and have shuddered deep in my soul.

But yes, much like a postmodern Pierrot le mime, this old man goes about aping the irony of hipsters and disaffectedness of teenagers in his disturbing and unsettling parody of the young, the vital, and all those unembittered by the twilight of their own relevance.

Thank God we have you, young Fuuma-- an Eagle scout exemplar of diligence and forthrightitude!
post #344 of 5454
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Originally Posted by deadly7 View Post

Let's play a little game because now I'm intrigued. I have an educational background in the sciences. You, I would guess, have one in a humanities discipline. So here's the game we'll play: You pick one journal from your background. I will read the language of the first 10 pages worth of articles from the current issue (or whichever most recent one I have access to) and post my findings. You have to do the same for a scientific print journal. Rules are: ignore obvious jargon. See if sentence structure and word selection make sense.
Obviously this will be a very limited sample size, but your linked article claims that such verbiage is necessary to represent "critical thinking".
I pick the Journal of the ACS.

LOL. Homie don't play dat.
You might enjoy this famous 1959 Rede Lecture by CP Snow: The Two Cultures.
post #345 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

How about you concede the point as you know your position is intellectually untenable? I'm not going to read some biology journal or whatever just for fun, it's not like I'll understand shit. Probably due to the jargon devil.gif
Why don't you read some social science books you find enjoyable and understandable and leave it at that. Reading postmodern thinking without knowing about modernism is pointless anyway....
If you don't know how to write to a broader audience and feel the need to get your ego stroked by your peers, that's your business. I don't decry the use of jargon -- it's an inescapable characteristic of specializing in a field. When I read a paper that has the issue I'm describing, it reads like an undergraduate's attempt at inflating his professor's view of himself by opening up the thesaurus and picking the biggest word possible in every situation. As for my point being untenable, that's a farcical claim and if you expect me to cede that you're the one that would have to prove it.
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Well I can speak from the knowledge gleaned from wearying, interminable personal correspondences with him that- yes- redcaimen is really, really old. I mean, like, holy shit…
I have gazed upon his cadaverous visage- wizened as much by decades of debauched living as by age- and have shuddered deep in my soul.
But yes, much like a postmodern Pierrot le mime, this old man goes about aping the irony of hipsters and disaffectedness of teenagers in his disturbing and unsettling parody of the young, the vital, and all those unembittered by the twilight of their own relevance.
Thank God we have you, young Fuuma-- an Eagle scout exemplar of diligence and forthrightitude!
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

LOL. Homie don't play dat.
I have no idea what either of these two posts mean.
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