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Originally Posted by javyn View Post

It's not about honest debate, it's about bashing and demonizing the hell out of the other side, and I for one, find it entertaining the libs have finally caught on on how to do this effectively.

Er… what? The whole "keep your rosaries off my ovaries" / "you just want to CONTROL women's BODIES!!!" / "pro-lifers won't be happy until they REDUCE women to CHATTEL for the STATE!!!" &c. &c. &c. line of high dudgeon for the pro-choicers has remained essentially unchanged since the late '80s, at the very least. I guess by this point I'm a veteran of the abortion debate, which is why I also find attempts at generational grandstanding- "THIS GENERATION will not STAND for ATTACKS on a woman's RIGHT TO CHOOSE!"- so amusing, since I can't remember any time the pro-choice movement has been less electrified. There is nothing fresh about the rhetoric, or about the people issuing it; rather than attempt to seriously negotiate the actual moral complexities of the issue, they'd still rather rail against these mythical rich white male politicians who get their jollies from controlling women's bodies just for the sake of controlling women's bodies.

We were supposed to have bought the car in 1973, but they keep selling us the undercoating. Women don't have the right to choose until they have the right to abortion, and- oh yeah- until they have the morning-after pill, and- oh yeah- until minors can get it without parental consent, and- oh yeah- until it's all paid for by someone else, &c. &c. &c. If all this is necessary for the "right to choose", what exactly was legalizing abortion meant to accomplish in the first place? A reasonable person would conclude that complete control over our bodies is as much an unobtainable theoretical abstraction as absolute zero, but these people will still verbally rain holy hell over anyone who dares to second-guess any of their ad hoc attempts at defining this completely undefinable "right". Then there are the patronizing and misogynistic implications of deeming something a women's issue in order to open it up to all manner of special pleading that protects it from all existing standards of what actions are permissible in society, and what justifications for those actions are adequate. This patronizing attitude is apparent in the sine qua non of their entire movement-- the infantilizing moral logic that says an action is morally unassailable entirely by virtue of the fact that it is something that can be chosen.

As for the advocates of "bodily sovereignty", I wonder how they feel about the actions of the captain of the Costa Concordia. After all, he was compelled by law to put himself at actual risk physical injury or death in order to potentially save the lives of others. A pregnant women, however, is under no legal compulsion not to actively seek the death of her fetus, even though the fetus poses no danger to herself. If the bodily sovereignists were at all consistent in their beliefs, they would conclude that, by leaping into the lifeboat prematurely, the captain was actually performing a heroic reclamation of his individual rights.
post #302 of 5454
^ I will never believe that the photos of the dude on your FB page are actually you.
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Originally Posted by Douglas View Post

^ I will never believe that the photos of the dude on your FB page are actually you.

+1.
post #304 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Douglas View Post

^ I will never believe that the photos of the dude on your FB page are actually you.

would hit.
post #305 of 5454
Thread Starter 
This falls a little outside the purpose of the thread, but I thought I would share. I recently posted a Saul Bellow quote on facebook that caused a lot of friends to push the like button. It pushed one friend over the edge however:
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on facebook: "In the greatest confusion there is still an open channel to the soul. It may be difficult to find because by midlife it is overgrown, and some of the wildest thickets that surround it grow out of what we describe as our education. But the channel is always there, and it is our business to keep it open, to have access to the deepest part of ourselves-to that part of us which is conscious to a higher consciousness, by means of which we make final decisions and put everything together. The independence of this consciousness, which has the strength to be immune to the noise of history and the distractions of our immediate surroundings, is what the life struggle is all about."

-Saul Bellow


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On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:07 AM, M--N- wrote:



Really? A Saul Bellow quote from "The Closing Of The American Mind"

You've accused me of being a stereotype but your FB wall and posts are so relentlessly and aggressively pro conservative thought it seems like an act.
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On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:13 AM, M---t (mordecai) wrote:

I'm sorry, what about that quote do you find so offensive?
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On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:15 AM, m--n wrote:

Not the quote itself, just the pompousness of it and the fact that it's attached to a book about

The Closing of the American Mind, by Allan Bloom (published 1987), describes "how higher education has faileddemocracy and impoverished the souls of today's students." He focuses especially upon the "openness" of relativism as leading paradoxically to the great "closing" referenced in the book's title. Bloom argues that "openness" and absolute understanding undermines critical thinking and eliminates the "point of view" that defines cultures.
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On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:16 AM, m--n wrote:

Literature professors involved in deconstructionism promote irrationalism and skepticism of standards of truth and thereby dissolve the moral imperatives which are communicated through genuine philosophy and which elevate and broaden the intellects of those who engage with these imperatives.[2]
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From: M--t (mordecai)
Date: Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:16 AM



So you are angry at me for posting a quote you have no problem with, from a book you haven't read?
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On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:19 AM, m--n wrote:

I am not angry, I found it comical that you would quote Bellow of all people (conservative cultural activism) from a forward to a book about said subject matter.

It's TOO perfect...
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On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:21 AM, m--n wrote:

Because you're Mr. Cultural Conservative now, fighting the good fight,

being willfully esoteric, obstinate, and contrarian

Keep up the good work!
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From: M--t (mordecai)
Date: Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:23 AM


Thanks!
post #306 of 5454
Just to keep you all abreast of what the canadian hipster girls are posting:

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post #307 of 5454
Most of my Facebook friends are complaining about speeding tickets and showcasing their remodeled man caves.
post #308 of 5454
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Literature professors involved in deconstructionism promote irrationalism and skepticism of standards of truth and thereby dissolve the moral imperatives which are communicated through genuine philosophy and which elevate and broaden the intellects of those who engage with these imperatives.[2]

This quote from mordecai's post above demonstrates that higher ed has failed. Let's play "Place the Comma-Change the Meaning."

The collection of quotes from m--n illustrate the closing of the American mind.

"It's TOO perfect!" -m--n
Edited by Lighthouse - 2/24/12 at 5:12pm
post #309 of 5454
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Literature professors involved in deconstructionism promote irrationalism and skepticism of standards of truth and thereby dissolve the moral imperatives which are communicated through genuine philosophy and which elevate and broaden the intellects of those who engage with these imperatives.[2]

This type of thinking really bothers me, in part because the consequences seem rather easy to predict. It ends with the ideal of an obfuscated right and wrong, which nudges people to the conformity of feigned nuance, rather than an assimilation towards morality and social cohesion. Both morality and social cohesion seem to be strengthened by the widespread understanding and simplicity of easily learned values: compassion, friendliness, hard work, optimism, family structure, etc........ When each of these issues is allowed to become a critical platform for the display of contrarian values as a means to assert one's intellectualism (as Thomas Sowell laments) it results in a society full of average people who aren't encouraged to believe much of anything is right due to their lack of ability that might be needed to take part in the criticism, as if disparate sensibilities somehow makes society more livable and benevolent.
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Thread Starter 
I wanted to point out to him that his emails were such a clear example of someone who had lost that pathway to independent determinations, but that would have required me to talk to him more.
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Originally Posted by mordecai View Post

I wanted to point out to him that his emails were such a clear example of someone who had lost that pathway to independent determinations, but that would have required me to talk to him more.

C'mon, just one more post! Like, "Thanks for proving Bellow's point."
post #312 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Douglas View Post

^ I will never believe that the photos of the dude on your FB page are actually you.

It is the surest indication of God's cruel sense of irony that he put such a troubled and diseased brain into the body of such a seemingly fun blonde boy. For not only am I too troubled and diseased ever to enjoy being fun and blonde, but I am far too fun and blonde looking ever to find anyone to be troubled and diseased with me.
post #313 of 5454
tagut's post is the razor's petal,
a joyful read,
sharp and pleasing,
wise words tossed and whipped in the right places,
as to balance the back and forth of the confused and pliable mind,
with a playful reason, a gemstone rare in the muck and tallow of this company.
post #314 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post

tagut's post is the razor's petal,
a joyful read,
sharp and pleasing,
wise words tossed and whipped in the right places,
as to balance the back and forth of the confused and pliable mind,
with a playful reason, a gemstone rare in the muck and tallow of this company.

*sniff*… I've never had anyone dedicate a poem to me before. I eagerly await Fok's double-dactylic counterpoint.
post #315 of 5454
Its half past 8 in the morning here, can someone translate this into something my tired brain can understand please?

Literature professors involved in deconstructionism promote irrationalism and skepticism of standards of truth and thereby dissolve the moral imperatives which are communicated through genuine philosophy and which elevate and broaden the intellects of those who engage with these imperatives.[2]
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