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post #2626 of 5454
I am an atheist and freely disclose that when the subject comes up or if someone asks me directly. It has never caused any arguments or anything. Obviously some people may not like that but I don't give a shit nor do I argue defensively or offensively. Those "spiritual but not religious" people are the worst.
post #2627 of 5454
What is it about the "spiritual not religious" people that tend to make them annoying?
post #2628 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

What is it about the "spiritual not religious" people that tend to make them annoying?

They are all too often part of an ultra judgmental offshoot of the yoga industrial complex.
post #2629 of 5454
Reading the "Letters to the Editor" section of my hometown rag is as good as FB:
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My wife and I just returned from a month in Florida. While down in the Fort Myers area, I made my daily walk to the 7-Eleven for the Fort Myers/Cape Coral News. It was an interesting paper to read with many different articles that you will not see in The Windsor Star.

A lot of talk about how they want to ban semi-automatic weapons but many still think they need them for their protection. I saw one advertisement offering a free gun when you buy a motorcycle.

Another time, I read how a man and his daughter accidentally blocked in another motorist at a popular restaurant near the beach area and he didn’t like it so he shot the 16-year-old girl in the passenger seat dead. What else are you to do?

Then there was all the talk about the Take A Stand law. That allows a homeowner to shoot someone trespassing on their property if they feel threatened.

They did have a couple of times that they questioned the law when someone on neighbourhood watches shot a youth who had no gun and wasn’t stealing.

Or when a group did catch up with a thief and they decided to stab him to death instead of turn him over to police. They felt it was justified.

Another disturbing article is all the talk about Boy Scouts of America not allowing gays in the organization. Some saying if there was a boy scout leader or a boy scout who was gay, they would pull their children from the scouts. What century are they living in?

Thank God we never saw any of this up close and only read about it. One can only wonder what would happen if you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

We had a great time, weather, food and beaches were good but the best part of the trip is crossing the border and knowing you made it home alive.

Typical arrogant, supercilious, hypernationalistic Canuck.
post #2630 of 5454
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Originally Posted by deadly7 View Post

You can't be an atheist and an agnostic. One is a neutral position of uncertainty, the other is firmly taking a stance that you don't believe in a god.

You misunderstand the terms atheism and agnosticism, the former addresses belief, the later knowledge. One can certainly be an agnostic atheist.
post #2631 of 5454
Surviving an expedition to Florida is something to celebrate.
post #2632 of 5454
Here's another letter. I'm spoilering it as it is cringe worthy.
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Chris Taylor should be applauded for standing up for all of us who earn a living.

If one looks at the economic prosperity generated by the North American auto industry, they will find that our economy prospered after the Rand Formula set the rules regarding unions and industry.

Unions have improved the quality of life for almost everyone. Yet, it appears that the government and business are directing the Canadian workforce to compete with the Third World workers and many people are succumbing to the pressure to lower our standard of living.

Where are those entrepreneurs who depend upon customers with money to spend? Why would they want their source of revenue to have less money to spend at their establishment?

We must speak out against this squandering of our standard of living by those who will not suffer the consequences of their actions.

Take the time to understand the Great Depression of 1929 to the early ‘40s. No money=No purchasing. No sales=No need to hire employees=No money, etc.

I don’t believe it takes an economist to understand that if workers earn higher wages, they spend more money and pay more taxes. This means that someone sells a product or service to also earn more money and pay more taxes.

Jobs are created to provide for the increase in spending and we all prosper. Or, is that too simplistic an interpretation?

It is the responsibility of the governments at all levels to have a vision for the prosperity of all the people in the country and to pass the laws as such.

I think we need to pay attention to the message Chris Taylor is sending.

Working men and women cannot allow ourselves to be caught up in the negative trap that attempts to rationalize lower wages and benefits as being a good thing.
post #2633 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Fang66 View Post

You misunderstand the terms atheism and agnosticism, the former addresses belief, the later knowledge. One can certainly be an agnostic atheist.

Yes. In fact, I would say almost all atheists, if pressed, would tell you that they are agnostic, since they inherently can't claim any supernatural knowledge. Same goes for anything you don't believe in, really. That's why I never liked the label. Why make a point of being agnostic about YWHW and Allah but not Amon-Ra or Zeus, not to mention ghosts and unicorns?
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Here's another letter. I'm spoilering it as it is cringe worthy.
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Reminded me of this-
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Homer: Okay, boy. This is where all the hard work, sacrifice, and painful scaldings pay off.

Employee: Four pounds of grease... that comes to... sixty-three cents.

Homer: Woo-hoo!

Bart: Dad, all that bacon cost twenty-seven dollars.

Homer: Yeah, but your mom paid for that!

Bart: But doesn't she get her money from you?

Homer: And I get my money from grease! What's the problem?
post #2635 of 5454
Nice one. If I had an FB account I would ask him his thoughts on a minimum wage of $50 an hour.
post #2636 of 5454
Here's a good one, about the banking crisis in Cyprus:
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This is horrible because it increases the likelihood it will happen here.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...92G03I20130317

This is what happens when you allow usury. This is why it was outlawed by the Church.
post #2637 of 5454
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Originally Posted by js4design View Post

Reminded me of this-

Classic Simpsons.
post #2638 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

If your atheism defines you that much you have the same issues as any fundie.

This is the standard line and it probably has some truth to it, but I wonder if there's something far more interesting about zealous atheism.
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If it's true that Descartes initiates a certain modern mode of thought, then I wonder if this kind of atheism is at once a reaction against Cartesian skepticism and a continuation of it. For Descartes, God plays a rather funny role: first, the possibility of a god who might constantly be tricking us drives skepticism, but very quickly, it's the existence of a benevolent God that enables us to move from near certainty about things to pretty much absolute certainty. I take this to have to opposite consequences: God is either not that important, as the leap from near certainty to absolute certainty might not be that important; or God is the linchpin in Descartes's ability to conclude if that something is perspicuously true, then it's true. (I hope I'm not butchering Descartes' Meditations since I'm not an expert.) But I wonder if the insistence on atheism as opposed to agnosticism (often in the name of rationality & science) is at heart an attempt to purge modern knowledge of any transcendent anchor of knowledge while still insisting on certainty. My own hunch is that this is a misguided form of scientism. Or, if not misguided, then at least a bit blind to the full implications of really desiring something (knowledge, existence, whatever) based on a supposed absence.
post #2639 of 5454
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Reading the "Letters to the Editor" section of my hometown rag is as good as FB:
Typical arrogant, supercilious, hypernationalistic Canuck.
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Here's another letter. I'm spoilering it as it is cringe worthy.

Sheez louise! Do they not have word count limits on letters to the editor in Canadia?
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

Yes. In fact, I would say almost all atheists, if pressed, would tell you that they are agnostic, since they inherently can't claim any supernatural knowledge. Same goes for anything you don't believe in, really. That's why I never liked the label. Why make a point of being agnostic about YWHW and Allah but not Amon-Ra or Zeus, not to mention ghosts and unicorns?

You seem to be confused about a few things:

• Agnosticism does not imply a presumption of atheism. You can be an agnostic theist.

• There are many things we don't believe in that we are not agnostic about, that, in fact, we are quite sure don't exist (see mathematics and logic for things we are certain don't exist.)

• I'm not quite sure what you're saying there at the end. "Agnosticism"- unless qualified otherwise, as it often is- is understood to refer to an agnosticism concerning the monotheistic Capital-'G' God, transcendent Creator of all creation. This entire pop-atheist notion that there is a different flavor of atheism for every conceivable deity is completely misbegotten, and it seems to go hand-in-hand with that horrifically stupid and condescending "We are both atheists, I just go one God further" shibboleth.

Language expands to fill needs, based on what is useful, not any sort of semantic egalitarianism. No, there's no specialized word for people who don't have antlers growing from their heads, but if 95% of people did have antlers growing from their heads, you'd better believe there'd be a dedicated word for people who don't. Similarly, there's no specialized words for people who are atheist and/or agnostic about leprechauns because nobody gives a shit about whether you believe in leprechauns.
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Originally Posted by erictheobscure View Post

This is the standard line and it probably has some truth to it, but I wonder if there's something far more interesting about zealous atheism.

If it's true that Descartes initiates a certain modern mode of thought, then I wonder if this kind of atheism is at once a reaction against Cartesian skepticism and a continuation of it. For Descartes, God plays a rather funny role: first, the possibility of a god who might constantly be tricking us drives skepticism, but very quickly, it's the existence of a benevolent God that enables us to move from near certainty about things to pretty much absolute certainty. I take this to have to opposite consequences: God is either not that important, as the leap from near certainty to absolute certainty might not be that important; or God is the linchpin in Descartes's ability to conclude if that something is perspicuously true, then it's true. (I hope I'm not butchering Descartes' Meditations since I'm not an expert.) But I wonder if the insistence on atheism as opposed to agnosticism (often in the name of rationality & science) is at heart an attempt to purge modern knowledge of any transcendent anchor of knowledge while still insisting on certainty. My own hunch is that this is a misguided form of scientism. Or, if not misguided, then at least a bit blind to the full implications of really desiring something (knowledge, existence, whatever) based on a supposed absence.

I'd be lying if I said you didn't lose me a bit here. The "misguided form of scientism" strain of atheism may as well be the only form of atheism on the internet, as any other more interesting or dynamic perspectives on religion invariably get crushed under the bulldozing banality of Dawkins' army of neckbeards.
post #2640 of 5454
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Originally Posted by itsstillmatt View Post

They are all too often part of an ultra judgmental offshoot of the yoga industrial complex.

Leave your wife out of this. She is an innocent.
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