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post #2176 of 5465
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

IMO, people that answer to any deity are very easy to control.

rolleyes.gif As opposed to people who answer to money/sausage? C'mon Piob, look at the great totalitarian states of our lifetimes. They are marked for their atheism, not for their theism. Your opinion is outdated.

And to be clear, I am not saying atheism leads to totalitarianism. At all.
post #2177 of 5465
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

The most absurd thing about any of this is the idea that somehow christians don't feel comfortable expressing their religious beliefs. You could have fooled me.

Stop oppressing me.
post #2178 of 5465
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post

rolleyes.gif As opposed to people who answer to money/sausage? C'mon Piob, look at the great totalitarian states of our lifetimes. They are marked for their atheism, not for their theism. Your opinion is outdated.
And to be clear, I am not saying atheism leads to totalitarianism. At all.

Well, I was tweaking LH a bit there, but I stand by the general concept. I mean, what was religion's major function(s) in most societies throughout history? Do they not all teach adherence to a set of rules and the hierarchy of holy men is there to tell you what those rules really mean, control the sex drive, etc? And as to the great totalitarian states of the 20th and 21st century I would submit the rulers are elevated to diety status. Just look at Dear Leader and you'll see what I mean.
post #2179 of 5465
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Originally Posted by legorogel View Post

The most compelling to me is that socialism is based on rationalism.

Here's a more compelling one that's also more accurate in the minds of such fools: Europe = secularism = socialism.

I don't know of any economic policy that isn't based on rationalism. If you do, please let me know.
post #2180 of 5465
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Originally Posted by why View Post

Here's a more compelling one that's also more accurate in the minds of such fools: Europe = secularism = socialism..

I guarantee that's how my Facebook friend was using it. Socialism = Euro = secular (presumably enforced by the socialist authorities, not cultural) = bad.
post #2181 of 5465
The people who laid the groundwork for liberal democracy and capitalism were largely secularist as well. Not atheists for the most part, but deist or at least liberal when it came to religion. Religion teaches eternal truths, and so it tends to oppose new ideas, but in the end it adjusts itself to them or dies out. When socialism is triumphant (and I think it will be soon, if it isn't already) then religion will adopt it and oppose whatever ideology rises to replace it.
post #2182 of 5465
It's America where socialism and secularism are so closely tied to each other.

"The government should be involved in every facet of your life. Also, there must be a wall of separation between the government and religion."
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A friend's status - verbatim.
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"I would personally just say to those who are listening, maybe you want to turn in your guns"
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas)

Um, no.
post #2185 of 5465
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post

rolleyes.gif As opposed to people who answer to money/sausage? C'mon Piob, look at the great totalitarian states of our lifetimes. They are marked for their atheism, not for their theism. Your opinion is outdated.
And to be clear, I am not saying atheism leads to totalitarianism. At all.

One could argue that in the totalitarian states I presume you are referencing, there was a state-sponsored "religion" in the form of a cult of personality or ideology, cf. Stalin, Mao, Juche.

Edit: to say nothing of the Islamist totalitarian regimes we see in the Arab and Persian world
post #2186 of 5465
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Originally Posted by Earnest Hemingway View Post

One could argue that in the totalitarian states I presume you are referencing, there was a state-sponsored "religion" in the form of a cult of personality or ideology, cf. Stalin, Mao, Juche.
Edit: to say nothing of the Islamist totalitarian regimes we see in the Arab and Persian world

You could argue that, and many have, in a desultory just-throwing-it-out-there sort of way, but it's not an argument anyone seems to seriously want to commit to. The God of Lighthouse's comment- "people who answer to God are not as easy to control"- is the capital-'G' God- the supernatural, transcendent, ground-of-all-moral-value God- and not some arbitrary schmuck in the realm of the mundane and the contingent who has assumed the role of God-surrogate. Indeed, the fact that such schmucks inevitably pop up in the void left by God is only a confirmation of- not an undermining of- the claims of the monotheistic faiths.

As well, broadening the definition of "religion" to include any potentially authoritarian belief structure doesn't get you very far, since any belief structure is potentially authoritarian ("Do you know how many people have been killed in the name of ideology? More people have been killed in the name of ideology than for any other reason! I dream of a glorious tomorrow for humankind where nobody believes anything!") If you grant that it is possible to have authoritarianism without religion, why would it not equally be possible to have religion without authoritarianism?

Furthermore, this attempt to pawn-off the nakedly bloody histories of atheist regimes onto some nebulously-defined rubric of "religion"- and to render their figureheads as God-surrogates- is simply a non sequitur when used- as it typically is- in defense of philosophical naturalism-qua-atheism.
Edited by tagutcow - 12/20/12 at 2:00am
post #2187 of 5465
One of my Paultard friends has gone completely off the rails on gun control and has posted some 30 status updates about it in the last 24 hours. Here's one
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I see a bunch of gun banning countries at the top of the list. Can one of my feminist friends who opposes guns explain this?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita
post #2188 of 5465
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

One of my Paultard friends has gone completely off the rails on gun control and has posted some 30 status updates about it in the last 24 hours. Here's one

Clearly we need penis control also
post #2189 of 5465
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

She's certainly never been shy before, to the point of talking about how her severely disabled son's travails have tested her faith. I don't know what prompted this rant, probably some friend asking her to tone it down.

Off topic but why is it every fucking person has a disabled child now? Are there no "regular" or "normal" or "non-disabled" kids anymore? Didn't parents used to be proud of how their kids excelled? Now all parents seem to talk about it how fucking weak or pathetic their child is. Trying to outdo each other with who has it worse off.

Parent 1 - It's so tough dealing with little Johnny's ADHD.
Parent 2 - I'm sure, but imagine my predicament. Little Suzy has ADHD AND she's on the Autism Spectrum.
Parent 3 - Bitches please, that ain't nothing. Young Mortimer has ADHD, Asperger's, and Neatorama.
post #2190 of 5465
^ it's all the vaccines, Harvey.
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