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Santorum.
He's at least acceptable to the base, whereas Ron Paul is totally unacceptable to even about 40% of Republicans, in addition to 75% of Independents and 100% of Democrats.
A Ron Paul v Obama matchup would have resulted in an 8-10 point margin for the president. Santorum maybe more like 5-7.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_santorum_vs_obama-2912.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_paul_vs_obama-1750.html
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I think over the course of an actual general election battle, Paul would have fared worse.
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post #1939 of 5454
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Why sadly? Ron Paul is even more repugnant than Santorum, if that's possible.
You have shit for brains. Full stop.
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You have shit for brains. Full stop.

Someone's a grumpy gus! Did you not get your nap?
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I really wish Ron Paul had been elected President. But I could not imagine him winning if he was the nominee. Probably 70+% of the population actually think that Libertarians are either evil or mentally retarded.

I think the Libertarian community really did its best this year and we got 1%. There just are not many people who actually agree with Ron Paul's policies.
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I think over the course of an actual general election battle, Paul would have fared worse.
This is the problem with having principles.
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Originally Posted by Sir Humphrey Appleby View Post

This is the problem with having principles.

In Paul's case, it's the problem with having principles that fall massively outside the mainstream and which directly threaten huge numbers of people.
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Why sadly? Ron Paul is even more repugnant than Santorum, if that's possible.
I dislike rabid social conservatives more than libertarians.
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Why sadly? Ron Paul is even more repugnant than Santorum, if that's possible.

Maybe to someone who supports President DroneBomb, President Bailout, President PATRIOT, President Deficit, President Targeted Assassination, President Kinetic Military Action.
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In Paul's case, it's the problem with having principles that fall massively outside the mainstream and which directly threaten huge numbers of people.

Balanced budgets are outside the mainstream?
Requiring a declaration of war is outside the mainstream?
Questioning the assassination of American citizens without charge, trial or evidence is outside the mainstream?

Prior to the start of Obama's drone campaign in Yemen, AQAP had about 200-300 members. Now they have about 5000. Drones create more terrorists than they kill.
post #1946 of 5454
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I think over the course of an actual general election battle, Paul would have fared worse.

Well, there is the warmongering, bailout-grabbing wing of the GOP that would have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with you in support of the DroneBomber-In-Chief...
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Maybe to someone who supports President DroneBomb, President Bailout, President PATRIOT, President Deficit, President Targeted Assassination, President Kinetic Military Action.
Your attitude is exactly why libertarians are thought of as nuts.
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Your attitude is exactly why libertarians are thought of as nuts.

So I take it you support drone bombing, bailouts, TSA gropes and warrantless wiretaps, trillion dollar deficits, assassination of American citizens without evidence or charges or trial, and military actions without requisite Congressional declarations of war?

If so, please point to the Article and Section of the Constitution (assuming you believe it's still in effect and you remember the President taking an oath to defend same, Chief Justice Roberts' initial botching of the language notwithstanding) authorizes each of these.

Or do you want to just hurl insults?
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I have a few friends whom I know supported the re-election of the President. These are folks whom I know to be people of good faith, good intentions, and high moral character. They are folks I wish well, and whom I know don't wish anyone ill, yet I can't understand their support for the incumbent President. Make no mistake, I would not expect them to have supported the Republican nominee, since I certainly didn't, either, yet the following facts can't be denied. So in the spirit of honest conversation and understanding, I hope that you can help me understand your support for Barack Obama in light of the following:

You claim to be advocates of civil liberties, and yet your President renewed the Patriot act. He signed the NDAA into law. The TSA continues to grow under his watch, along with the surveillance state.

You claim to be against the wars, and yet your President expanded our theaters of war, further destabilized the Middle East, and significantly increased the use of unmanned drone bombings-- with high civilian and child collateral.

You claim to be against corporate greed, but your President had his hands behind the wheel of bailout after bailout [no GM pun intended]. You claim to advocate for the right to do with our bodies as you please-- and yet you support a President who has consistently used federal power to raid medicinal marijuana dispensaries.

You claim to fight for the poor, but you ignore, whether by choice or ignorance, the issue of monetary debasement entirely.

So, you know...what gives?
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Originally Posted by musicmax View Post

Balanced budgets are outside the mainstream?
Requiring a declaration of war is outside the mainstream?
Questioning the assassination of American citizens without charge, trial or evidence is outside the mainstream?
Prior to the start of Obama's drone campaign in Yemen, AQAP had about 200-300 members. Now they have about 5000. Drones create more terrorists than they kill.

Look, there are some positions from the libertarian side that deserve serious consideration. But it's asinine to take isolated policy positions and pretend that Paulites hold "mainstream" beliefs. The total package is WAY more than the vast majority of Americans are comfortable with, which explains his complete lack of traction in any national political arena.

His policies would directly eliminate my current job, remove the mechanisms that I used to get training for this career in the first place, and cripple my whole industry for the indefinite future if not forever. That's about all I need to think about, but there's plenty of other stuff to find fault with and most people do.
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