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Originally Posted by aizan View Post

Well, that was fun. ...Plenty of references. But references don't make a thoughtful movie.

What does this mean? eh.gif References to what? Frankly, it's a film in and of itself. If your stupid enough, to expect a film, to be a certain way--and if it isn't, it's crap--then films aren't for your viewing.
post #497 of 689
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Originally Posted by JapanAlex01 View Post

What does this mean? eh.gif References to what? Frankly, it's a film in and of itself. If your stupid enough, to expect a film, to be a certain way--and if it isn't, it's crap--then films aren't for your viewing.

I'm guessing he is referring to the biblical (and lesser amount of non-biblical) allusions and/or references to the other alien movies.. in which case his commets refer to the content of the film (and your criticism of it doesn't make much sense)

If your stupid enough not to see all the references, maybe films aren't for you. biggrin.gif (this is said jokingly, but really you should calm down a notch instead of jumping down people's throats who express a valid opinion).
Edited by Gradstudent78 - 6/17/12 at 8:44am
post #498 of 689
What, that references make a movie good? ...Dubious.
post #499 of 689
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Originally Posted by JapanAlex01 View Post

What, that references make a movie good? ...Dubious.

Do you really not understand what he was saying? My interpretation was that he was saying that references in and of themselves don't make a movie thoughtful (which he thought the movie was not thoughtful and couldn't be made so by adding some refences). Please correct me if I'm wrong here Aizan.
post #500 of 689
you got it, gradstudent. this was another one of those movies that makes geeks want to "figure it out," like inception, donnie darko, memento, et al. there is not much substance behind the contrived mysteries in the plot.

what i want from good sci-fi is something more to think about: questions, issues, and mysteries that matter. i left the theater thinking about the movie but not much beyond that.
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Combination of snooty internet critics combined with people expecting a full Alien prequel to connect directly to the original film I think.

Is it really too much to ask that the protagonists behave in a way that somewhat resembles a normal human? As has been said dozens of times in this thread already, the actions of Prometheus' characters had little connection to their supposed motivations, to character development in previous scenes, or to any normal rules of behavior.

This kind of shit writing undermines the experience of any kind of film, but it's especially disruptive in Scifi, where the audience is already required to suspend belief regarding environental elements. If you need to expend significant effort to identify the actors on the screen as actual people, the whole thing falls apart. It's b-movie shit, and I expect more from movies that purport to be more than b-movies.

Strip out the polished visuals and A-listers involved, and try to distinguish Prometheus from a SciFi Channel original.
post #502 of 689
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Originally Posted by aizan View Post

you got it, gradstudent. this was another one of those movies that makes geeks want to "figure it out," like inception, donnie darko, memento, et al. there is not much substance behind the contrived mysteries in the plot.
what i want from good sci-fi is something more to think about: questions, issues, and mysteries that matter. i left the theater thinking about the movie but not much beyond that.

Agreed. Also, someone needs to buy Shaw a copy of Existentialism for Dummies. Fuck.
post #503 of 689
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Originally Posted by Pennglock View Post

Is it really too much to ask that the protagonists behave in a way that somewhat resembles a normal human? As has been said dozens of times in this thread already, the actions of Prometheus' characters had little connection to their supposed motivations, to character development in previous scenes, or to any normal rules of behavior.
This kind of shit writing undermines the experience of any kind of film, but it's especially disruptive in Scifi, where the audience is already required to suspend belief regarding environental elements. If you need to expend significant effort to identify the actors on the screen as actual people, the whole thing falls apart. It's b-movie shit, and I expect more from movies that purport to be more than b-movies.
Strip out the polished visuals and A-listers involved, and try to distinguish Prometheus from a SciFi Channel original.

Super apt.
post #504 of 689
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Originally Posted by Pennglock View Post

Is it really too much to ask that the protagonists behave in a way that somewhat resembles a normal human? As has been said dozens of times in this thread already, the actions of Prometheus' characters had little connection to their supposed motivations, to character development in previous scenes, or to any normal rules of behavior.
This kind of shit writing undermines the experience of any kind of film, but it's especially disruptive in Scifi, where the audience is already required to suspend belief regarding environental elements. If you need to expend significant effort to identify the actors on the screen as actual people, the whole thing falls apart. It's b-movie shit, and I expect more from movies that purport to be more than b-movies.
Strip out the polished visuals and A-listers involved, and try to distinguish Prometheus from a SciFi Channel original.

How does rapace behave how a "normal human" wouldn't?
post #505 of 689
Re-watched it again this afternoon. Enjoyed it even more. There is a lot of subtle stuff that you don't notice the first time. Makes the movie a lot better.
post #506 of 689
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Originally Posted by Pilot View Post

Re-watched it again this afternoon. Enjoyed it even more. There is a lot of subtle stuff that you don't notice the first time. Makes the movie a lot better.
Such as?
post #507 of 689
Small talk between the crew discussing that they all pretty much have no clue what they are doing out there in space. Obvious they just signed up because they were being paid a lot.

I wasn't too keen on David being in contact with Weyland, but it's really pretty obvious once you watch it again. You also see his shift in mood after Weyland dies. It also makes sense why he would subject Holloway to the black goo. David would love to be a human and is sad (if that's possible) that he'll never be able to. Holloway keeps rubbing it in his face and disrespecting him throughout, so he's the easy choice for someone David would experiment on.

As far as the alien baby surgery, I think the only thing that scene needed was for the two doctors to just be at the door watching her as the surgery was going on and them being freaked out. That would have thrown a wrench in the whole wander around the ship and find David and Weyland preparing to go see the engineer.

I tried to keep all the things in mind people were critiquing but also tried to act like i was watching it for the first time not be biased. I'm def in the camp of it was a good movie that people are just picking apart because of its heritage.
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How does rapace behave how a "normal human" wouldn't?

x2 I didn't really see any part where people were just being "cheesy scifi movie" stupid or oblivious.
post #508 of 689
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x2 I didn't really see any part where people were just being "cheesy scifi movie" stupid or oblivious.

Just taking their helmets off is pretty stupid. And the way the biologist acts is ridiculous. Those scenes would have made more sense if both of them (the biologist and geologist) were random, nonscientist crew.
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Originally Posted by Gradstudent78 View Post

Just taking their helmets off is pretty stupid. And the way the biologist acts is ridiculous. Those scenes would have made more sense if both of them (the biologist and geologist) were random, nonscientist crew.

I don't have an issue believing someone who tries to act tough suddenly reveals himself to be a coward once something startles him. shog[1].gif
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I don't have an issue believing someone who tries to act tough suddenly reveals himself to be a coward once something startles him. shog[1].gif

I don't have a problem with that. Them getting lost is pretty eye rolling (when the geologist is in charge of mapping). What's more ridiculous is how the biologist interacts with an unknown, potentially dangerous, lifeform. He basically treats it like a cute little harmless creature, when in the previous scene he was ready to run back to the ship at just the sight of the room. He just doesn't act the way I would imagine a biologist logically acting in the situation, especially one hand picked for this particular, presumably well funded, mission.
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