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i blame the fail of this movie on the current generation of moviegoers and the studio pressuring for a 2hr vs 3hr film... overall i enjoyed the movie and tried not to overanalyze it to get said enjoyment

I think the failure of this film to be superb, rather than a 7.5/10 film is based more on the characters and dialogue. Unless there are many alternative takes then I don't know if the Blu ray can fix this. Some of my ideas:
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The 2 geologists' behaviour and dialogue completely changed - from the start - "I'm a tough character I only carry about money" stuff, to the very stupid scene of trying to stroke a serpent of doom.

Holloway - his taking off of his helment was asanine, as was the rest of the crew following suit. That whole scene inside needs re shooting so a scan was done to determine no bacteria/ viruses before that was done. He also had very clunky dialogue

Vickers - do we really need a scene of a woman doing press ups straight from cryo to show she's serious? It was trite even for the Aliens die hards and the Vasquez nod

The Captain - almost all of his behaviour up to the point of him taking the threat seriously was bad writing. He's the captain of a $ trillion mission, he would take things seriously. The sleeping with Vickers scene was also out of the blue and poor.

If these and a few other shots were re done + a little more character insight on David it would be an excellent film
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why in the shit would you have that idiot try to play snakecharmer with something that could only possibly spell his certain doom? especially after he inexplicably wanted to leave after seeing dead engineers... somehow he is suddenly interested in making friends with the only possible thing that would have killed them. repeated logic fails totally kill any element of suspense or letting me feel any kind of remorse or connection to the character.

I've seen other posts on several forums expressing the same concerns about this scene. But nobody seems to get the context:
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Fifield and Milburn were high (weed) when they encountered the creature. In a scene before, Fifield is seen smoking and the two joke about it being "tobacco". That explains their change in behavior.

...Unless I totally missed something.
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Charlize had shitty push-up form.

What "sleeping with vickers" scene?

The black goo turned the worms into the cobra is how I interpreted it.
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OK, so I haven't seen any of the "Alien" series (other than AvP I think...) but I know its a classic etc.

My thoughts are going to be kind of scatterbrained but oh well.

So... I have a few questions left after this movie and granted, yeah its a prequel but the intent was to offer more information about the mythology. But it doesn't seem like there were that many answers Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
(what a cheesy way to end the movie... "I am still looking for answers...."

Much of the plot was fair to middling but there were some pretty excellent moments. The opening scene was fantastic. I just loved everything about it except... what was the point of it? I like the answers suggested. There were also a couple times where I was like "its a little too convenient for [some prop, element etc] to be right there at the exact time needed.

Are the Engineers referenced in later movies? I guess that's kind of my big question, how much of what we saw is part of the later films? No spoilers please but just Engineers, this story element etc.

It seems that this movie was more about action than info which is fine, I love thrillers and action movies probably more than any others, but like, there was never even any exposition as to why they wanted to destroy Earth and then stopped... I assume later movies address that?

I wanted another hour or so, not because of typical American audience needing to have every teeny element wrapped up in a neat little bow but because it was so gorgeous... I really kind of want to go watch it again just because it was so stunning.
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Charlize had shitty push-up form.
What "sleeping with vickers" scene?
The black goo turned the worms into the cobra is how I interpreted it.

when idris elba is flrting with her and says you dont have to pretend to care about my map to get laid and he calls her flickers lol, and she says meet me in my room in 10 minutes, and he starts singing you cant always be with the one you love, so love the one your with.

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Are the Engineers referenced in later movies? I guess that's kind of my big question, how much of what we saw is part of the later films? No spoilers please but just Engineers, this story element etc.

An "Engineer" or "Space Jockey" is the first chestburster victim we see in the first Alien movie. He is an integral part of the plot of the first film (as stated by Scott himself), which is why I think this prequel (of sorts) isn't given the credit it deserves for answering questions.

For 30 years, movies, fan fiction, comics, and video games have all attempted to give context to the elephant-man-looking space-jockey pilot. In one fell swoop, we're given an origin story by one of the franchise's original creators, and we still claim that the story poses more questions than answers.
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when idris elba is flrting with her and says you dont have to pretend to care about my map to get laid and he calls her flickers lol, and she says meet me in my room in 10 minutes, and he starts singing you cant always be with the one you love, so love the one your with.
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This might've been when I unfortunately had to race to the bathroom to take a piss. ffffuuuu.gif
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After a few days post watch, I have to say - it sucked. Completely disjointed script. So 17 people get aboard a ship for a 2+ year journey but nobody knows each other (other than the Holloway and Shaw) by the time they get out of cryosleep? WTF I enjoyed the premise - Aliens are basically the DNA enabled WMDs of the engineer race. It turns worms into scary fucking white snake thingys, sperm into some dynamo white blob egg feeder, and people into homicidal manaics. Otherwise the rest of the film didn't hold together. BTW - an alarm went off in the movie theater with a few mins left to do. What happens after you see the other ship fly away with Shaw onboard?
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After a few days post watch, I have to say - it sucked. Completely disjointed script. So 17 people get aboard a ship for a 2+ year journey but nobody knows each other (other than the Holloway and Shaw) by the time they get out of cryosleep? WTF I enjoyed the premise - Aliens are basically the DNA enabled WMDs of the engineer race. It turns worms into scary fucking white snake thingys, sperm into some dynamo white blob egg feeder, and people into homicidal manaics. Otherwise the rest of the film didn't hold together. BTW - an alarm went off in the movie theater with a few mins left to do. What happens after you see the other ship fly away with Shaw onboard?

That's it, see my spoiler.
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I've seen other posts on several forums expressing the same concerns about this scene. But nobody seems to get the context: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Fifield and Milburn were high (weed) when they encountered the creature. In a scene before, Fifield is seen smoking and the two joke about it being "tobacco". That explains their change in behavior.
...Unless I totally missed something.
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i dont buy that. everytime people get stoned in a movie its so over the top and blatantly obvious - squinty bloodshot eyes, giggling, munchies, total incapacitation etc - that its easy to tell. the geologist's behaviour didnt change either - he was always paranoid. plus, i dont think youd see two guys get scared enough to run back to the ship, get lost and stuck in a hostile alien environment alone overnight, get scared shitless when they're told they're in close proximity to an alien signature then spark a doob and chill out. doesn't make any sense.

stoned in hollywood is cheech and chong totally mashed stoned maaan, not catching a little buzz. they would have made it far more obvious if thats what was going on.
post #371 of 689
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i dont buy that. everytime people get stoned in a movie its so over the top and blatantly obvious - squinty bloodshot eyes, giggling, munchies, total incapacitation etc - that its easy to tell. the geologist's behaviour didnt change either - he was always paranoid. plus, i dont think youd see two guys get scared enough to run back to the ship, get lost and stuck in a hostile alien environment alone overnight, get scared shitless when they're told they're in close proximity to an alien signature then spark a doob and chill out. doesn't make any sense.
stoned in hollywood is cheech and chong totally mashed stoned maaan, not catching a little buzz. they would have made it far more obvious if thats what was going on.
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Watching them smoke weed was not obvious enough?

I understand we didn't actually see Milburn toke, but it was 100% obvious that that's what Fifield was doing.
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Watching them smoke weed was not obvious enough?
I understand we didn't actually see Milburn toke, but it was 100% obvious that that's what Fifield was doing.
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it still doesnt make any sense to me - two guys who are terrified, lost, and alone in a hostile alien environment who are in close proximity to an alien signature wouldnt smoke something that would make them (more) paranoid. now, assuming it IS them getting stoned - thats just as stupid as having milburn play with the snake for no reason for the reasons i listed above. him getting baked in that situation is just as stupid and nonsensical as him playing with the snake for no apparent reason, so it doesn't change the "inexplicably stupid behaviour" thing for the better. my point was that kind of idiocy killed any kind of suspense - im sure if i would've thought they were getting baked in there, it would've been even more of a foregone conclusion than it already was and i'd probably be less sympathetic to someone who could've just been a naive idiot.
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it still doesnt make any sense to me - two guys who are terrified, lost, and alone in a hostile alien environment who are in close proximity to an alien signature wouldnt smoke something that would make them (more) paranoid. now, assuming it IS them getting stoned - thats just as stupid as having milburn play with the snake for no reason for the reasons i listed above. him getting baked in that situation is just as stupid and nonsensical as him playing with the snake for no apparent reason, so it doesn't change the "inexplicably stupid behaviour" thing for the better. my point was that kind of idiocy killed any kind of suspense - im sure if i would've thought they were getting baked in there, it would've been even more of a foregone conclusion than it already was and i'd probably be less sympathetic to someone who could've just been a naive idiot.

+ 100

If they were actually getting stoned in that scene it makes the script about 10 times worse. What an infantile piece of script writing
post #374 of 689
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it still doesnt make any sense to me - two guys who are terrified, lost, and alone in a hostile alien environment who are in close proximity to an alien signature wouldnt smoke something that would make them (more) paranoid.

There is neither time nor place where stoners refuse to toke.
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This might've been when I unfortunately had to race to the bathroom to take a piss. ffffuuuu.gif

dude. NEVER take a piss break during a movie. pee before, and bring a large cup in with you. uhoh.gif
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After a few days post watch, I have to say - it sucked. Completely disjointed script. So 17 people get aboard a ship for a 2+ year journey but nobody knows each other (other than the Holloway and Shaw) by the time they get out of cryosleep? WTF I enjoyed the premise - Aliens are basically the DNA enabled WMDs of the engineer race. It turns worms into scary fucking white snake thingys, sperm into some dynamo white blob egg feeder, and people into homicidal manaics. Otherwise the rest of the film didn't hold together. BTW - an alarm went off in the movie theater with a few mins left to do. What happens after you see the other ship fly away with Shaw onboard?

iirc thats the end of it. roll credits.
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