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post #301 of 689
I actually really enjoyed the movie - watched it in 3D IMAX and it was pretty darn good. I can't say the 3D was awesome bought, it didn't really "pop" for me.

Loved the visuals, though Guy Pearce (playing Weyland) didn't look genuinely old and hobbled 'round terribly. Charlize is hot as usual. Plot was great though I realized my questions led me to disappointment so I stopped asking them.
post #302 of 689
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Prometheus is nice to look at, but good christ is it stupid.

The very end was a misfire for me when it is supposed to be a moment of triumphant satisfaction.It's a movie where nobody ever shuts up about finding "the answers" and certainly never gets around to finding any.

Disagree completely.
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I really liked the idea of Rapace and Fassbender's characters going off to explore the universe to look for existential answers. And raising more questions about the Engineers/Xenomorphs while answering old ones. Part of the fun of the original Alien was speculating about Engineer civilization. It would be boring to flesh out all of the details

I'm not sure I even want to see those two characters revisited in a sequel.
post #303 of 689
I was going to bring my father to see it next week. From this thread, it looks like it's still a good idea even though the majority of the IMDB comments were poor when I checked yesterday and critics other than Ebert gave it a fair or lower rating.
post #304 of 689
The visuals were great and Fassbender's performance is reason enough to see the film. However the script is the real weak point of the film. A lot of the plot just doesn't really make sense, with poorly-fleshed-out motivations for characters (or whole species), a lot of unanswered questions (and not in a profound, "interpret it yourself" way, but in a "we just sort of let that hang because we didn't know what to do with it" way), and frankly some outright holes.

Still, it's enjoyable and has some pretty unique moments.
post #305 of 689
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Loved it. Excellent story, characters, futurist technology predictions, and effects. Fassbender and Rapace were great.
And that homage scene to the original grossout chestburster scene. Wow!
No idea why it's down to 74% from 90% earlier in the week on Rottentomatoes. Snubbed by anti hard scifi critics?
In regards to the ending and JMRouse's comment: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Little scenes like that must mean something. Doesn't the Avengers ending foreshadow Thanos? Or it some other grinning purple villain?
Watch the end scene again. Weird shaped head and snapping jaws? Not a coincidence.
Maybe the Engineers captured it and "hybridized" it to its black xenomorph form. Remember the dog alien from Alien 3?
It would be bizarre NOT to conclude it's a "proto alien"


I don't think you can use any Alien movie other than the first when drawing parallels for Prometheus since the others weren't done by Ridley. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
That said I definitely agree the creature at the end was an early xenomorph specie. The mouth, the head shape, it's too obvious. Whether it's an evolutionary thing or a refinement of the weapon design is up in the air.

I seriously am praying he gets to do at least one more sequel. There is so much room for more story with prometheus and it could be amazing.
post #306 of 689
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Haven't the predators and aliens been fighting for the past 1000 years? My theory is that maybe at one point that species of xenomorphs died or were killed by predators. The engineers were working on something to eventually bring them back to life - maybe they worshiped them (The mural in that room with the urns and that gem like item at the end, its possible they regarded the Alien as some sort of deity or a masterful highly adaptable species). Now that they are back the Predators' hunt is back on...

Too many possibilities and reasoning can be put to everything on such an open-ended universe...
post #307 of 689
I always thought those Aliens vs Predators movies were non-canonical cash grabs.

I mean, if you compare Prometheus to AvP, Prometheus is a goddamn work of art. Personally, I loved the film. Mind you, my knowledge of the Aliens franchise/universe isn't as complete as a lot you guys.

I went in the film after months and months of ignoring all the hype, marketing, on-set visits, interviews, etc. etc. which is why I always enjoy most of the films I watch.

Definitely really enjoyed all the cool technology
post #308 of 689
Pretty much. AVP is a neat concept for a comic book or a video game but just will never work as a movie that is taken seriously IMO.
post #309 of 689
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Disagree completely. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I really liked the idea of Rapace and Fassbender's characters going off to explore the universe to look for existential answers. And raising more questions about the Engineers/Xenomorphs while answering old ones. Part of the fun of the original Alien was speculating about Engineer civilization. It would be boring to flesh out all of the details
I'm not sure I even want to see those two characters revisited in a sequel.

The "moment of triumphant satisfaction" I was referring to was the very last shot, nothing to do with Shaw or David.

You "disagree completely" with a statement of unassailable fact that this movie is all about finding answers and offers none? Your following paragraph does not relate in any way I understand to anything I said, so I am going to ignore it completely.

The bottom line is there are a lot of obvious issues which manifestly arose from sloppiness in some combination of plotting, writing and editing. And then we have all these moronic apologists who feel the need to try and explain away every blatant error on the movie's own terms as if Ridley's listening in and taking the criticisms personally.

A sequel would be a terrible idea. This needs to be fixed as best it can be, then left alone; I am actually pretty optimistic right now about a Director's Cut fixing some of the more glaring problems.
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Haters gonna hate.

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post #311 of 689
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The "moment of triumphant satisfaction" I was referring to was the very last shot, nothing to do with Shaw or David.
You "disagree completely" with a statement of unassailable fact that this movie is all about finding answers and offers none? Your following paragraph does not relate in any way I understand to anything I said, so I am going to ignore it completely.
The bottom line is there are a lot of obvious issues which manifestly arose from sloppiness in some combination of plotting, writing and editing. And then we have all these moronic apologists who feel the need to try and explain away every blatant error on the movie's own terms as if Ridley's listening in and taking the criticisms personally.
A sequel would be a terrible idea. This needs to be fixed as best it can be, then left alone; I am actually pretty optimistic right now about a Director's Cut fixing some of the more glaring problems.
I want Shaw and David to go to the engineers home world.

Who made the engineers though? They just seem like higher level humans.

And regarding the star maps as an invitation, think about it as the story of Icarus and the tower of babel - try to reach the gods and get smacked down. It was like, when you humans have the ability to find lv223, we know our experiment is over, humans will be a threat and force in the universe that need to be dealt with. Consider the hubris from the Ted talk, "we are the gods now" and the hubris of the humans to wake the engineer, and ask or demand anything of him (what david asked him is my only unexplained portion from the film)... and if Theron was an Android. Why did weyland not clone himself for eternal life?
post #312 of 689
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The "moment of triumphant satisfaction" I was referring to was the very last shot, nothing to do with Shaw or David.
You "disagree completely" with a statement of unassailable fact that this movie is all about finding answers and offers none? Your following paragraph does not relate in any way I understand to anything I said, so I am going to ignore it completely.

You wrote last time that you were disappointed about the audience not getting all the "answers" that Shaw and her partner were looking for. My post about not wanting all those answers did relate to your post.

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And then we have all these moronic apologists who feel the need to try and explain away every blatant error on the movie's own terms as if Ridley's listening in and taking the criticisms personally.

Seems you're taking my post rather personally.
Apologists? crackup[1].gif

Are we talking about the Nixon administration here or a scifi movie?
post #313 of 689
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and if Theron was an Android.

Pretty sure that comment by Idris Elba was a joke. Asked "are you an android or something" after Charlize initially rejected his offer to get laid.
post #314 of 689
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Pretty sure that comment by Idris Elba was a joke. Asked "are you an android or something" after Charlize initially rejected his offer to get laid.
Not really- think about it. She was weyland's "daughter." Different last name though...
post #315 of 689
Vickers might just not have known she was an android... everyone else was sick when waking from hyper sleep... except vickers. Think about the programming in vickers private room
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