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Thanks for chiming in Fuuma.
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Keeping this still very, very general, (no spoilers) but I'll put it in the little box just because it is nice to know as little as possible: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Yeah, I can def see/agree with this. There were a few moments where I almost said out loud, "now why would they do that? That's just dumb!" That being said, I thought a few other characters were very good/interesting/likable/sympathetic/etc. depending on who we're talking about, but most were at least developed and dynamic. Also, since you mentioned the first 40 mins, I still thought the first two acts were stronger than the third tough even with this caveat.

Yeah I know what you mean, some of the characters were good in the second act. There certainly was a lot of things to think abour from the film, and I still was today which I like a lot. I will see it a second time and this showing will be imax smile.gif
post #243 of 689
My fiancee has never seen Alien. Should she see it before or after Prometheus?

I was thinking after, just to keep things in chronological order.
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Yeah I know what you mean, some of the characters were good in the second act. There certainly was a lot of things to think abour from the film, and I still was today which I like a lot. I will see it a second time and this showing will be imax smile.gif

Yeah, I'm looking at seeing it again tomorrow possibly. Still thinking about it a lot, but I have a feeling I'll be a bit more critical of some of the flaws when I see it again without the initial "wonderment" factor.

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My fiancee has never seen Alien. Should she see it before or after Prometheus?
I was thinking after, just to keep things in chronological order.

In my opinion, it doesn't matter too much at all as this is a very standalone film that just has traces from the franchise. You'll see things and think Alien, but the connection doesn't do much in terms of the story of the film. To further back this a little after seeing some criticisms (most I agree with, some I don't at all), this actually takes place on a different planet than the one from the original two films. This is not a spoiler, Mr. Scott said this a few times before the release and the planet number is mentioned early in the film. So... I think it's probably better to think of it as separate and just see it for what it is rather than another Alien film as they are very different types of films.
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My fiancee has never seen Alien. Should she see it before or after Prometheus?
I was thinking after, just to keep things in chronological order.

On second thought the original might be more effective with the environments and such, more "alien-like" for lack of a better wording, if she doesn't know much about the films at all and the original would probably be more enjoyable if she doesn't see some of that here. If she does know the story and at least some things from the original film though, I'd say it probably doesn't matter too much.
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My fiancee has never seen Alien. Should she see it before or after Prometheus?
I was thinking after, just to keep things in chronological order.

I would see Alien first and on a big screen cinema if possible if not a great home set up. It's a superb film and to see it for the first time as an adult will be brilliant! I would say that first view should be made with as little prior knowledge as possible and Prometheus does give that, with familar themes
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Thanks for chiming in Fuuma.

Merely trying to help you do the right thing and NOT see this movie. There is a black guy playing accordeon offering to dick Charlize Theron (sex scene not shown).
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Merely trying to help you do the right thing and NOT see this movie. There is a black guy playing accordeon offering to dick Charlize Theron (sex scene not shown).

To be fair that is a good example of some of the bad jarring scenes which seem completely out of place for Ridley Scott
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To be fair that is a good example of some of the bad jarring scenes which seem completely out of place for Ridley Scott

True, but his final offbeat comment of the scene still got quite a few laughs in the theater I was in...
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True, but his final offbeat comment of the scene still got quite a few laughs in the theater I was in...

Lots of spoilers below - don't read if you've not seen the film !!
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If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with. Yes that was a good line if the scene was entirely different. The scene just jarred.

The whole crew seemed so unprofessional, which if you were spending a trillion dollars on a mission it would not be. You wouldn't hire those people. In Alien the crew are just ordinary working people - truck drivers of sorts, but the head crew are very professional. Even the engineers while disgruntled and less professional, are so in a realistic way, they seem like real people

The Captain goes from not giving a shit about the 2 geologists trapped overnight in an alien pyramid, when some already unnerving things have been found, to soon being utterly concerned about the human race. Granted the threat had become huge by that point, but less of a massive change would have made a better character.

The above statement follows for all of the characters really in the first half of the film. Scenes like Noomi Rapace's boyfriend stating "anything with half a brain and intelligence can create life" when his girlfiend was infertile... no man would say such a thing if you knew that about your partner, it just seemed very gauche. Even if you accept that he was infected at that point and was changing into a killer, it was still badly done
post #251 of 689
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Lots of spoilers below - don't read if you've not seen the film !!
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with. Yes that was a good line if the scene was entirely different. The scene just jarred.
The whole crew seemed so unprofessional, which if you were spending a trillion dollars on a mission it would not be. You wouldn't hire those people. In Alien the crew are just ordinary working people - truck drivers of sorts, but the head crew are very professional. Even the engineers while disgruntled and less professional, are so in a realistic way, they seem like real people
The Captain goes from not giving a shit about the 2 geologists trapped overnight in an alien pyramid, when some already unnerving things have been found, to soon being utterly concerned about the human race. Granted the threat had become huge by that point, but less of a massive change would have made a better character.
The above statement follows for all of the characters really in the first half of the film. Scenes like Noomi Rapace's boyfriend stating "anything with half a brain and intelligence can create life" when his girlfiend was infertile... no man would say such a thing if you knew that about your partner, it just seemed very gauche. Even if you accept that he was infected at that point and was changing into a killer, it was still badly done

Same here, lots of spoilers so keep it closed!
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I agree with your thoughts and have more, although I was actually thinking of the "Are you a robot?" line. Other big examples of this "unprofessionalism" is the glaring helmet removal scene... Ok, let's break this down a second, it does establish things about his character that jive well with who he's presented as, but wtf is with everyone else??? Ignoring "command" back at the ship yelling not to do it, he'd already proven his point about the atmosphere so why the others? Especially scientists on an alien planet where they have no idea about life there, bacteria/airborne pathogens anyone? History has shown that the human body doesn't do well when meeting new diseases... Making this worse is that isn't one of the scientists suppose to be a biologist? Then later they still have the nerve to go through "decontamination" for their suits... Other random things that stick out: the biologist (he of all people leaves when they find a dead alien body?) and geologist leaving the expedition to go back to the ship (everyone is just ok with this?) and also somehow getting lost after they made only like two turns... The geologist even is the one who sets up the probes... guess he really needs them... that's another thing, they show up on the map (even though the captain later asks their position when he can clearly see them and the probe), why the heck don't they just stop and ask where to go? Why don't those on the ship tell them they're going the wrong way? Why do they keep exploring when they're stuck there after the were so scared before? Why do they return and hang out in the area that scared them so much? Why is the biologist terrified of a dead alien body that looks somewhat human yet is totally fine trying to "touch" a living serpent-like alien?!? Uh...because they need to die so the film can progress... At least it was better then other characters whose names I didn't even know getting killed (the crew being 17 has something to do with this though...)

I also found the captain somewhat odd with his urgency to bring the sick boyfriend back on board then total 180 with "none of this is getting back to Earth" speech. Like you said the danger and gravity of the situation had ramped way up by then but still...

Yeah, the line by the boyfriend to Noomi Rapace's character was kinda like... really? I know you're drunk but how stupid are you? O' no matter, we'll just have sex now anyway. Why does all this happen, especially the need to point out she's infertile? To build up to the pregnancy scene... Which although cool, also seems like a scene just to build to another scene... She gets free from basically having a future as a lab rat, makes it to the pod limping around, does the surgery, limps back around.... and, wait a minute? Where is everyone? Lol, no one went after her? No one sees her or asks anything about her? David somehow knows she got it out, but what about everyone else? They just don't care now and we're not going to talk about it? Then the ending... ok, so this is why we just stupidly ignored it?

Yeah, there were def some problems in the film, but even with these I did still enjoy it quite a bit. It's beautiful to see which helps, but I also really enjoyed and sympathized with Noomi Rapace's portrayal of Elizabeth Shaw. I liked her character quite a bit, she was also the most real acting of everyone, and I rooted for her throughout the film. I also liked Fassbender's David, who seems to be getting all the spotlight, but obviously in a very different way. Wow, getting long... too much to say, but I'll stop for now. Love to hear more of your thoughts though.
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Same here, lots of spoilers so keep it closed! Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I agree with your thoughts and have more, although I was actually thinking of the "Are you a robot?" line. Other big examples of this "unprofessionalism" is the glaring helmet removal scene... Ok, let's break this down a second, it does establish things about his character that jive well with who he's presented as, but wtf is with everyone else??? Ignoring "command" back at the ship yelling not to do it, he'd already proven his point about the atmosphere so why the others? Especially scientists on an alien planet where they have no idea about life there, bacteria/airborne pathogens anyone? History has shown that the human body doesn't do well when meeting new diseases... Making this worse is that isn't one of the scientists suppose to be a biologist? Then later they still have the nerve to go through "decontamination" for their suits... Other random things that stick out: the biologist (he of all people leaves when they find a dead alien body?) and geologist leaving the expedition to go back to the ship (everyone is just ok with this?) and also somehow getting lost after they made only like two turns... The geologist even is the one who sets up the probes... guess he really needs them... that's another thing, they show up on the map (even though the captain later asks their position when he can clearly see them and the probe), why the heck don't they just stop and ask where to go? Why don't those on the ship tell them they're going the wrong way? Why do they keep exploring when they're stuck there after the were so scared before? Why do they return and hang out in the area that scared them so much? Why is the biologist terrified of a dead alien body that looks somewhat human yet is totally fine trying to "touch" a living serpent-like alien?!? Uh...because they need to die so the film can progress... At least it was better then other characters whose names I didn't even know getting killed (the crew being 17 has something to do with this though...)
I also found the captain somewhat odd with his urgency to bring the sick boyfriend back on board then total 180 with "none of this is getting back to Earth" speech. Like you said the danger and gravity of the situation had ramped way up by then but still...
Yeah, the line by the boyfriend to Noomi Rapace's character was kinda like... really? I know you're drunk but how stupid are you? O' no matter, we'll just have sex now anyway. Why does all this happen, especially the need to point out she's infertile? To build up to the pregnancy scene... Which although cool, also seems like a scene just to build to another scene... She gets free from basically having a future as a lab rat, makes it to the pod limping around, does the surgery, limps back around.... and, wait a minute? Where is everyone? Lol, no one went after her? No one sees her or asks anything about her? David somehow knows she got it out, but what about everyone else? They just don't care now and we're not going to talk about it? Then the ending... ok, so this is why we just stupidly ignored it?
Yeah, there were def some problems in the film, but even with these I did still enjoy it quite a bit. It's beautiful to see which helps, but I also really enjoyed and sympathized with Noomi Rapace's portrayal of Elizabeth Shaw. I liked her character quite a bit, she was also the most real acting of everyone, and I rooted for her throughout the film. I also liked Fassbender's David, who seems to be getting all the spotlight, but obviously in a very different way. Wow, getting long... too much to say, but I'll stop for now. Love to hear more of your thoughts though.

Mega spoilers, again don't read before the film
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I thought the same about all of your above points, the helmets being taken off was ridiculous. It wasn't even needed for expression as they were so open and transparent. It removed the sense of peril.

I agree on the geologist and the first serpents. He even describes it as a reptile, a snake. When have you ever met a friendly reptile or snake?! All creatures must eat and therefore any creature that's completely unknown is a threat until proved otherwise.

When the serpent flared its hood and he said "no it's ok, she's just saying hello" it was hard not to face palm it in the cinema. A 10 year old would have seen a cobra or similar before and know what it was doing was a very bad sign!

In Alien when Cane goes into the pit of eggs that could be seen as foolish, but it was done in such a way - the spirit of exploration and Cane's utter fascination, that it was believable. Although most normal people seeing hundred of large eggs would retreat quickly (again something comes out of eggs and all creatures eat), again you are captivated by his fascination because you are fascinated and disgusted too. He also has a weapon and is wearing a thick visor.

As for my further thoughts, it's probably best to start at the beginning and just go what I thought as the film unfolded smile.gif

The beginning with The Engineer at the waterfall, was superbly done. I did wonder about the whole destroy life then start again thing and if that was perhaps long after such a thing had already happened before on earth, but that wouldn’t fit into archaeology – we have fossils of the first very simple animals and nothing before that. Although the ampoules could be engineered that way too, to effectively utterly raize all before it.

David alone on Prometheus – he was very OTT and overly robotic. Admittedly he was one of the first robots, but it was hammy – especially in displays of his physical skills. On reflection though you realise he was basically programmed to be Weyland, with all that arrogance, something you see leave when Weyland dies and his character changes enormously. With the neural visor and “try harder” you wonder if Weyland was communicating with David throughout or was in fact living through him, almost his conscious downloaded into David. This fits in with the whole Arthur C Clarke evolution of man to machine, to biological machine, and from there to just pure energy as in 2001.

The later Engineers on LV 223 were very biomechanic in appearance and in that way different to the first Engineer on earth. Whether this was their further evolution given it was hundred of millions of years later on LV 223 or perhaps those Engineers were just soldiers so perhaps a different race rather than an evolution. Either way I liked that a lot.

David's dyeing of his hair was very interesting, the whole blue eyes blonde hair Aryan thing, yet Weyland in TED had dark hair. So whose perception of genetic purity was that – David’s or Weyland’s programming. Still all of those great ideas could have been handled better and David again looked hammy doing it.

The human characters – right from the start with Noomi Rapace crying to Charlize theron’s intro as doing press ups was pretty OTT. This continued with the introduction of the space crew and how shambolic and dismissive it was – you don’t spend a trillion dollars and fly for 2 years hiring a crew of slack jaws. This was derivative of both Alien and its working man, and also the marines in Aliens, but totally misplaced on a science expedition.

Amongst all of the silly actions like taking off helmets when they first visited the pyramids, there are great ideas too – the ship’s organic life support system, creating a perfect atmosphere like our own in what I first thought was a terraformer and then later saw as life support on an installation and ship.
post #253 of 689
Just a few more days for us Americans. I'm getting the feeling that impressions from the film have been mixed, but mostly lean positive. It might be one of those cases that we end up with a decent, but not great film that ends up being judged more harshly because of its heritage.
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What the hell is up with the Coors Light tie in? They keep running these ads during the NBA games. Do they take Coors Light on the spaceship or something?
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What the hell is up with the Coors Light tie in? They keep running these ads during the NBA games. Do they take Coors Light on the spaceship or something?

There were no Coors ads in the UK trailers but 2/3 of them were for alcohol, it was pretty weird
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