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post #31 of 39
1/5/12 at 7:42pm
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hidden!,

lol

 

it was pretty obvious after the second post at least

 

if you are taking the vow of omerta' because you were told so by previous posters then too bad- but i have no hidden agendas- it is all above board

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post #32 of 39
1/5/12 at 7:49pm
I agree, it would have been an interesting thread.

I both agree and disagree with the OP.

Taking Spoo for example, from the posts I've read I would expect him to be concerned about his business, and I would not expect him to share information that could hurt his personal business prospects even if it helped everyone else. After all, that's good business. I have not forgotten how quick he was to express his desire to sell kitonbrioni's clothing in that other thread... there's a lot that could be read from that. I would expect him to be defensive about this thread.

But... I can't really hold any of this against him either. I look at all his clothing posts and think, "this is a business AND a hobby for this person." No one posts that much on the WAYWN thread who doesn't have a passion for this stuff. And while I have no doubt that he was lusting after the profit potential of selling kitonbrioni's collection, I am also sure he was excited about the sheer fun of being able to handle all the neat merchandise that opportunity would have afforded. Is there anything wrong with this? One can't help but congratulate those whose job is also their hobby. I am very lucky that my own "job" is also my hobby, and I love how it never feels like "work" to me. If he or Malford or others are similarly fortunate to be doing what they love, I don't think any of us should want to take that away from them.

It does mean however that there will be some conflict and antagonism in a place like this, which is mostly a hobbyist site that also happens to have a number of members who are simultaneously both hobbyists and profiting from hobbyists and trying to juggle these competing priorities. (Hobbyists like to share their secrets; businessmen do not.). I think people like Spoo and Malford are trying at the same time to (a) be a selfless and contributing member of the group, (b) control communication to better profit from the group and (c) compete with other people like them in the crowd. That can't be an easy thing to manage, and I mean that in the most truthful way I can.

So, I do think this is an interesting topic that I have mixed feelings about. I would surely prefer that the secret deals be shared openly and taken advantage of in moderation. However, I think many of the people who clear the shelf when the deal emerges make up for it with their other valuable posts... at least more so in this forum than many others I've been on where the line between hobbyist and businessperson is much more clear, distinct.
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post #33 of 39
1/5/12 at 7:53pm
One other point. I have been looking at older posts a lot in this forum, because I find a more gritty learning material in the older threads, and I am seeing a history chock-full of businessmen, in this trade, who openly share information. I love reading posts from people like Shirtmaven (I think that's the name) openly describing his fabric sourcing and construction techniques in a forum filled with competitors, while praising their work! I've noticed a lot of this from the artisans on this forum: shirt makers, tie makers, shoe makers and so forth. I do think this forum would be strengthened if the other businessmen in this forum (the resellers) had a similar openness. I don't expect it, nor demand it, but I sure would enjoy it.
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post #34 of 39
1/5/12 at 8:02pm
He's trolling.

Let's take the interesting ideas to another thread; this one should die.
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post #35 of 39
1/5/12 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by curzon View Post

I think these sellers perform a very valuable service, especially for someone such as myself who has little access fairly-priced high-quality goods not sold online. The seller has taken on a few risks such as tying up his capital in illiquid assets, holding items that may not sell, etc. Moreover the seller has invested time and resources (fuel, parking, fares, tolls, etc.) acquiring his inventory. I'd wager that these sellers often come up empty when visiting shops, so that cost needs to be built in too. Of course no one compels a prospective customer to buy.

+1 And the price for tolls just increased big time
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post #36 of 39
1/5/12 at 8:34pm
I think this thread just swung in the opposite direction as the classic SF sellers' bias - SF being naturally defensive of buyers as there are so many here - kicked in.

OP has some interesting point, but
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Originally Posted by poincare0 View Post

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Thankfully I dont expect to buy anything here - never did- as like malford i know where to buy at a better price. We could all share this kind of info but then people like malford and spoo would be out of pocket and we wouldn’t like that, would we?

come one, this is just petty.
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post #37 of 39
1/5/12 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by PipersSon View Post

I think this thread just swung in the opposite direction as the classic SF sellers' bias - SF being naturally defensive of buyers as there are so many here - kicked in.
OP has some interesting point, but
come one, this is just petty.


Come on

you cant expect me to be a nice guy when I am attacked, like by spoo.

 

sure i did personally name malphord but that is because his recent actions reflected exactly my buying patterns with the difference that I did not hoard to sell. London has 8 million people but only a 'few' SFers I guess. Naturally he is no better or worst than many other people who use SF mostly for $ purposes. So it is nothing personal, i never met him (although next time i see some walk out with 7 pairs of JLPs I might trip him, just kidding)

 

I like the previous poster's distinction between hobbyists and professionals . While i dont expect SF to become wikipedia i think that there are too many professionals. i.e the balance is currently too skewed

 

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post #38 of 39
1/5/12 at 9:50pm
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Originally Posted by swiego View Post

I agree, it would have been an interesting thread.
I both agree and disagree with the OP.
Taking Spoo for example, from the posts I've read I would expect him to be concerned about his business, and I would not expect him to share information that could hurt his personal business prospects even if it helped everyone else. After all, that's good business. I have not forgotten how quick he was to express his desire to sell kitonbrioni's clothing in that other thread... there's a lot that could be read from that. I would expect him to be defensive about this thread.
But... I can't really hold any of this against him either. I look at all his clothing posts and think, "this is a business AND a hobby for this person." No one posts that much on the WAYWN thread who doesn't have a passion for this stuff. And while I have no doubt that he was lusting after the profit potential of selling kitonbrioni's collection, I am also sure he was excited about the sheer fun of being able to handle all the neat merchandise that opportunity would have afforded. Is there anything wrong with this? One can't help but congratulate those whose job is also their hobby. I am very lucky that my own "job" is also my hobby, and I love how it never feels like "work" to me. If he or Malford or others are similarly fortunate to be doing what they love, I don't think any of us should want to take that away from them.
It does mean however that there will be some conflict and antagonism in a place like this, which is mostly a hobbyist site that also happens to have a number of members who are simultaneously both hobbyists and profiting from hobbyists and trying to juggle these competing priorities. (Hobbyists like to share their secrets; businessmen do not.). I think people like Spoo and Malford are trying at the same time to (a) be a selfless and contributing member of the group, (b) control communication to better profit from the group and (c) compete with other people like them in the crowd. That can't be an easy thing to manage, and I mean that in the most truthful way I can.
So, I do think this is an interesting topic that I have mixed feelings about. I would surely prefer that the secret deals be shared openly and taken advantage of in moderation. However, I think many of the people who clear the shelf when the deal emerges make up for it with their other valuable posts... at least more so in this forum than many others I've been on where the line between hobbyist and businessperson is much more clear, distinct.

A very thoughtful and insightful post.
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post #39 of 39
1/5/12 at 10:33pm
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Originally Posted by poincare0 View Post


The collective of SF members have a huge wealth of knowledge which could be used much more productively, and funny enough that includes for profit purposes, if only there was more imagination in the owner’s mind other than the quick buck

In any case i will keep visiting SF as I have always done. Thankfully I dont expect to buy anything here - never did- as like malford i know where to buy at a better price. We could all share this kind of info but then people like malford and spoo would be out of pocket and we wouldn’t like that, would we?

1) I can tell you, for a fact, that we leave many, many bucks on the table, in order to preserve the integrity of the space.

2) The forum's value is based on the value of the knowledge posted here. Check out the prices for the B&S forum. They are nominal, and meant only to allow the market to self- regulate to a degree. Your hypothesis could not be more misdirected. I don't think that you understand the revenue structure of a place like this.

3) By all means, post all the deals you can find in the PSA threads. That drives our traffic.

Alright, this is stupid. Unless the next post actually addresses men's clothing, it's going to DT. Yes, Oscar/Camaroon/Countbaron/Empty/etc., we know it's you.
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