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A thread for the JIL & RAF shopper (clothing and footwear inclusive, but please post sneaker sizing inquiries here)

Let's focus on aggregating useful / interesting information (present or historical) about the brands, e.g.
  • stockists, new arrivals, sizing, good deals
  • runway/magazine shots, new and old
  • media coverage, designer interviews, critics' reviews
  • pr0n/reviews of particular items of clothing/non-sneaker footwear that you own, that you're interested in and wonder where2kop, that you handled in person, etc.
  • fit pics, of oneself or others, in RAF/JIL pieces
  • random anecdotes and stories related to these brands
  • etc.

This is not at all to say that opinions don't belong in this thread - everyone is welcome to post reviews of particular products or collections, say - but when voicing a negative opinion, please, make an effort to contribute something new and interesting. Don't just proclaim 'Raf is dead' (who would be surprised to hear this?), support it with some bit of novel and factually-informed argumentation. And if you don't like a particular piece, don't just say 'that's hideous/boring' (anything will be considered hideous/boring by someone in a forum as large as this), tell us why you think so or point out inconspicuous details on the piece that might deter potential buyers.

This applies to everyone except, of course, jet. alien.gif

In general though, information, not opinions, is what this thread is primarily about. It goes without saying, but if one truly has only negative things to say about the brands, one shouldn't post here at all.

More posts coming...





Online Stockists ↓↓↓↓↓↓ (last updated 12/31/2011)

JIL SANDER
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Aloha Rag
APROPOS
Barneys
Bergdorf Goodman
Boutique 1 (empty stock ATM)
boutique.ru (only sunglasses ATM)
Browns
Farfetch
Harvey Nichols (only women's ATM)
JIL SANDER e-STORE
Laboratorio35
LN-CC
LVR
MAENDLER
MR PORTER (check UK site too)
Neiman Marcus
OKI-NI
Rakuten (everything)
Rakuten (accessories)
Rakuten (men's apparel)
Saks
SelfRidges
SelfRidges
SSENSE (empty stock)
Sydney's
The Corner
ThreeDifferent (fall/winter)
ThreeDifferent (spring/summer)
Tres Bien (stock will arrive soon)
Verso
yjp (everything)
yjp (men's everything)
yjp (men's "Others", i.e. accessories & shoes)
Yoox (both seasons, new arrivals first)
Yoox (footwear)
Zappos (footwear)


RAF SIMONS
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Aloha Rag
Arthur (old season stuff)
Barneys
BLAST (no online shopping yet)
Buyself
Diabro
Farfetch (only sunglasses ATM)
Forward (almost empty stock)
LAZZARI (almost empty stock)
LN-CC (almost empty 'archive' stock)
LVR (empty stock)
MR PORTER (check UK site too)
Nitty Gritty (empty stock)
OKI-NI
PARK
Park & Bond
Por Vocacao
Rakuten (footwear)
Rakuten (accessories)
Rakuten (men's clothing)
Seven
Brand Collect
SSENSE (empty stock)
The Corner
ThreeDifferent
yjp (everything)
yjp (shoes & accessories)
Yoox (both seasons, new arrivals first)
Yoox (footwear)







Interviews ↓↓↓↓↓↓ (last updated 12/31/2011)
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WWD▮10/28/2011▮Marc KarimZadeh▮A New York Minute With Raf Simons
WSJ▮8/25/2011▮Whitney Vargas▮The Show of the Season
Vogue UK▮7/25/2011▮Jessica Bumpus▮Simons Says
Style.com▮6/15/2010▮Maya Singer▮Raf Simons: Fashion Should Be “Hard To Grasp, Hard To Find”
(German) ZEIT ▮April 2011▮"Ich fand Deutsche immer wunderbar" (ht: Zeemon)
Telegraph▮ 2/26/2011▮ Raf Simons talks about his latest collection for Jil Sander (AUDIO) (ht: Sipang)
Love▮Spring/Summer 2011▮Murray Healy▮Acrylic Afternoons
Interview▮11/26/2008▮Kanye West▮Raf Simons
Guardian▮1/29/2008▮Alice Fisher▮The geek who conquered the fashion world
i-D Magazine▮2005/6▮Terry Jones▮Future Perfect 1 2
Papercoffin.com▮2004▮Craig Garrett ▮Raf Simons: Infinite Ingress (ht: Sipang)





Articles & Useful Links↓↓↓↓↓↓ (last updated 12/31/2011)
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Edited by _yoo - 1/25/12 at 6:31am
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High resolution pictures of the two most recent JIL SANDER collections





JIL SANDER Fall 2011

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Edited by _yoo - 12/29/11 at 11:27pm
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now we need lanvin, balencicga, givenchy, Dior and YSL thread in the next.



I will start. For FW 11 items, I tried several coats it fits good and the material is nice. I also tried several knits of the season. It's nothing special but the color, several colors are not easy to pull off. For material I can say it's not excellent, just a little above average compare to other designer knits.

I like this short jacket in particular. There's different color one on ln-cc. I haven't handled the jacket in person yet, but from the picture, I think the jacket fits strange, nothing like the JIl jackets I've tried before. I don't know if it was designer to fit in that way.

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Edited by andrewgreg - 12/29/11 at 6:58pm
post #4 of 513
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^You should start the Lanvin thread!

Some detail shots of the fw11 quilted l/s tees from JIL, I've been trying to hunt down the white version. Hapsical has posted a very useful review of the short sleeve version in black (scroll down).

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More detail shots of the FW11 JIL collection here
post #5 of 513
Did anyone actually stock Raf's dead prince pullover? Is all hope lost?


Anyways, SS02 runway video & photos. sup shah



note: Raf deserves his own thread and really shouldn't be lumped with Jil, but whatev.
post #6 of 513
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Some insane details on the SS12 JIL knits woven sweaters confused! see here

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More details from the SS12 JIL Collection
Edited by _yoo - 3/12/12 at 3:27pm
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I wish Jil came back

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Interesting, I'll post some pics of some recent Raf/Jil acquisitions later.  I have to say I have a bit of a love/hate feeling towards his clothing.  I appreciate that he is one of the designers that is trying to push men into thinking differently about dressing in the modern world, but at the same time his aesthetic can be a bit ruled based and binding on its own.  I remember reading an interview someone did with him and Dries Van Noten and a question was asked about is there anything you would consider off limits or some such theme.  Dries answered that he would pretty much consider anything and thought he shouldn't be the one to tell people what to wear and what not to wear.  Raf on the other hand said he was very much an authoritarian and wanted to dictate how men should dress and I think that comes off in many of his collections.  A sense of being in a minimalist straitjacket so to speak.  But I think he is relevant and has something to say and really have no patience for those who say Raf is out, or in for that matter.  I think most of the really great designers have ups and downs, periods of inspiration and boredom and that Raf will be around for quite awhile and it will be interesting to see how his vision evolves over time. 

 

By the way Yoox always seems to have a healthy supply of Raf and the prices are pretty good considering retail and if you don't mind being a season or two behind. 

 

I have no interest in the sneakers, I think like most other designers, Lavin, Dsquared, etc, they are just boring, but that's just me, if you love it go for it.

 

post #9 of 513
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Did anyone actually stock Raf's dead prince pullover? Is all hope lost?
it was just featured in a magazine shoot, so probably was put in production, but who knows where these mags source their clothes, i guess it could've been a sample Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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note: Raf deserves his own thread and really shouldn't be lumped with Jil, but whatev.
From a design point of view I agree, but a raf shopper (nowadays) is more likely than not also a jil shopper (and vice versa, but to a lesser extent) redface.gif
Edited by _yoo - 12/29/11 at 7:35pm
post #10 of 513
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Originally Posted by andrewgreg View Post

I like this short jacket in particular. There's different color one on ln-cc. I haven't handled the jacket in person yet, but from the picture, I think the jacket fits strange, nothing like the JIl jackets I've tried before. I don't know if it was designer to fit in that way.

That's interesting, I've noticed that several JIL outerwear pieces this season seem to kind of flare out in the back on the mrporter model (esp. obvious in the videos). I haven't tried any of these on in person though.
http://www.mrporter.com/product/303273
http://www.mrporter.com/product/303271
http://www.mrporter.com/product/303267
post #11 of 513
^ Yeah, kinda. But non of these jackets are noticeable as the black one I posted.

The SS 12 sweaters looks nice, I wonder how it look in person. It's not really knit, it's a woven and knit hybrid thing. i feel raf is doing some hybrid season(boots+loafer; hiking boot and sneaker)
post #12 of 513
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Interesting, I'll post some pics of some recent Raf/Jil acquisitions later.  I have to say I have a bit of a love/hate feeling towards his clothing.  I appreciate that he is one of the designers that is trying to push men into thinking differently about dressing in the modern world, but at the same time his aesthetic can be a bit ruled based and binding on its own.  I remember reading an interview someone did with him and Dries Van Noten and a question was asked about is there anything you would consider off limits or some such theme.  Dries answered that he would pretty much consider anything and thought he shouldn't be the one to tell people what to wear and what not to wear.  Raf on the other hand said he was very much an authoritarian and wanted to dictate how men should dress and I think that comes off in many of his collections.  A sense of being in a minimalist straitjacket so to speak.  But I think he is relevant and has something to say and really have no patience for those who say Raf is out, or in for that matter.  I think most of the really great designers have ups and downs, periods of inspiration and boredom and that Raf will be around for quite awhile and it will be interesting to see how his vision evolves over time. 

By the way Yoox always seems to have a healthy supply of Raf and the prices are pretty good considering retail and if you don't mind being a season or two behind. 

I have no interest in the sneakers, I think like most other designers, Lavin, Dsquared, etc, they are just boring, but that's just me, if you love it go for it.

Very interesting, thanks for the thoughtful contribution.
I remember the Detail interview you're referring to (may have posted it in RFT once). I didn't quite notice it at the time but upon re-reading it it was indeed quite obvious how different their attitudes are towards how men should dress. Worth a link: http://www.details.com/blogs/daily-details/2009/08/dries-van-notes-and-raf-simons-on-the-way-we-dress-now.html
Agreed re: him being in a minimalist straitjacket, though it's somewhat interesting to note he once said about his ss11 women's collections for JIL: "There had been all this talk of ’the new minimalism’. So I thought, fuck it, maximalism is what we want to do.” (interview in LOVE).

For me, the best thing about Yoox is its perennial supply of rafs in small sizes, the current collection doesn't have much that catches my fancy (doesn't fit me where it does), but I'm excited for when fw11 stock drops!
Edited by _yoo - 12/29/11 at 8:35pm
post #13 of 513
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Some other Raf interviews/features I bookmarked, ordered by recency

WWD▮10/28/2011▮Marc KarimZadeh▮A New York Minute With Raf Simons
WSJ▮8/25/2011▮Whitney Vargas▮The Show of the Season
Vogue UK▮7/25/2011▮Jessica Bumpus▮Simons Says
Style.com▮6/15/2010▮Maya Singer▮Raf Simons: Fashion Should Be “Hard To Grasp, Hard To Find”
Love▮SS2011▮Murray Healy▮Acrylic Afternoons
Interview▮11/26/2008▮Kanye West▮Raf Simons
Guardian▮1/29/2008▮Alice Fisher▮The geek who conquered the fashion world
i-D Magazine▮2005/6▮Terry Jones▮Future Perfect 1 2
Edited by _yoo - 12/30/11 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by andrewgreg View Post

^ Yeah, kinda. But non of these jackets are noticeable as the black one I posted.
The SS 12 sweaters looks nice, I wonder how it look in person. It's not really knit, it's a woven and knit hybrid thing. i feel raf is doing some hybrid season(boots+loafer; hiking boot and sneaker)

LVR has some mid distance full-body shots which probably give a reasonable approximation of how it looks IRL. Can't wait to see it in store though esp. in the grey + red/blue colorways

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I wish Jil came back

I was just watching videos of old JIL runway shows a few days ago, will post pics if I find good quality ones
Edited by _yoo - 12/29/11 at 10:31pm
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Did anyone actually stock Raf's dead prince pullover? Is all hope lost?

I believe Por Vocacao has the hoodie version.
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Some insane details on the SS12 JIL knits woven sweaters

They are actually knits.

Does anyone have hi res Virginia Creeper pics? Also Jil women's has been good lately.


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