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Sigh. I wonder why so many stores do this. Keep old season Y's and Pour Homme with full prices. One would think that most people that would bother to pick up Yohji would know they were being price gouged. Maybe SF and SZ are making me think wrongly though, heh.

Also, I just noticed that a lot of online stores stocking Yohji don't seem to be picking up a lot of pieces in size 4 any more stopping at just 2 & 3 for the most part. Making it very depressing browsing through their stock for me, lol. Looks like they feel size 3 should be good enough for us 6' + people.
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noticed that too! i think i have to start getting sz4 for any y's stuff i comme across now...either i've grown (#SFat shog[1].gif ) or become way too accostomed to the volume on PH, which may be the case because now what i used to think was loose and comfy felt like spandex lol

regarding price gouging, well at that y3 boutique people were dropping insane cash on basically rebranded adidas stuff so maybe they dont care i mean it is dubai after all foo.gif
post #3168 of 5928
Did I mention how much I'm looking forward to spring? satisfied.gif




those pants.
post #3169 of 5928
cant wait for the colors!
post #3170 of 5928
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Man, I am probably going to spend way too much on SS13. Those pants in the first look you posted must be in my wardrobe! Actually the whole look to be honest. Really liked the way the entire outfit looked in motion. Also looking at a pair of the printed pants and the blazers with the tails. Beautiful.
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I just wanted to throw this out there but does anyone else feel bad about the price of all this clothing. It bothers me to spend so much on clothing when I could use the money to help people. I think esp for Y it bothers me a lot more because I dont consider him to be one of those fashion obsessed trendy designers like hedi or formachetti. When i saw that interview about how beautiful things are disappearing and how there is an antagonism between authority and rebellion and doing what is right and solving problems, it felt to me as if 1k for a jacket is not helping. I believe with my heart that beautiful things are disappearing, but part of that beauty is kindness and self-lessness and sometimes this fashion, even with all its positive aspects (copared to the rest), is another temptation?


TBH, id like to learn how to make clothing myself one day and make things at cost so that my cash can be invested in different social programs like those that help ppl find jobs. But i also want to support Y because of his vision and love of his craft.

Idk if im explaining myself well/\. shog[1].gif
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i've tried some of ss13 maybe month ago. we had 10-15 samples(mostly jackets and no pants) sent from japan for a photoshoot. i wasn't really blown away to be honest, just one long striped shirt that i loved, but i again it was very poor selection.

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+1. that all black look will be mine too...
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my cash can be invested in different social programs like those that help ppl find jobs. But i also want to support Y because of his vision and love of his craft.

well you are already doing that by investing in Y. sure there's a point to be made about indulging oneself, but you're also helping a business and by extension those people involved at all stages of the process by exchanging your earned income for a commodity they're producing, keeping them employed and productive. this is the only way artisans can survive, i doubt many are operating with massive profit margins rather than just doing this as an enthusiast, so you reward that hard work through your support and also by not supporting competitors that streamline and manufacture in bulk with lower quality materials etc.

there are more expensive labels out there, just look in the baller boots thread or over in MC. none of this is meant to dissuade from helping the needy, and it is indeed a great virtue to be charitable. just consider it part of your amassed wealth over a year and you can calculate your 3% from that teacha.gif
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^ that cheered me up a lot, I guess i hadn't thought of that. Its not that I don't want designers to make money. I just have this image of opulence when I think of designers. Karl Lagerfeld is to blame biggrin.gif
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i've tried some of ss13 maybe month ago. we had 10-15 samples(mostly jackets and no pants) sent from japan for a photoshoot. i wasn't really blown away to be honest, just one long striped shirt that i loved, but i again it was very poor selection.

Yeah I believe Valter also said he handled some of the pieces backstage and was not impressed either. Will wait and see anyway. The only downside so far for SS13 for me is that there was not a lot of wool gab shown on the runway (if any?) but I trust there will be some available in-store. The cut of those pants is definitely something I want though, whether they handled well or not we all know that the proof is in the wearing sometimes smile.gif

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I just wanted to throw this out there but does anyone else feel bad about the price of all this clothing. It bothers me to spend so much on clothing when I could use the money to help people. I think esp for Y it bothers me a lot more because I dont consider him to be one of those fashion obsessed trendy designers like hedi or formachetti. When i saw that interview about how beautiful things are disappearing and how there is an antagonism between authority and rebellion and doing what is right and solving problems, it felt to me as if 1k for a jacket is not helping. I believe with my heart that beautiful things are disappearing, but part of that beauty is kindness and self-lessness and sometimes this fashion, even with all its positive aspects (copared to the rest), is another temptation?
TBH, id like to learn how to make clothing myself one day and make things at cost so that my cash can be invested in different social programs like those that help ppl find jobs. But i also want to support Y because of his vision and love of his craft.
Idk if im explaining myself well/\. shog[1].gif

Unfortunately, the fashion system is what it is. It would be great if he could make his clothing for much cheaper and still keep in business, but I am not sure it is financially feasible. Yohji uses manufacturers, craftspeople and gets fabrics from some of the best places one can get these sorts of things and the cost of doing business at his level almost necessitates the sort of pricing that we are seeing here. This is not to say of course that his clothing could not be cheaper - I am sure it is possible - but the fact that production costs what it does and all his overheads are what they are, I am pretty sure he is not just charging high prices for the sake of charging them. If he was making clothing in some other places in the world outside of the fashion industry's structure as it were I am sure he could bring his prices down, but he might also not be able to do the things he wants to in order to realise his own vision with regards to the garments themselves. Also remember that Yohji goes out of his way to support Japanese craftspeople and keep them in business. Every time you buy a Yohji item some of that money goes into helping some mom & pop business that may have even been in existence for multiple generations and might be dying out so that's a lot of good as well.

In Nigeria for example, labour is relatively cheap, but we also don't have access to the manufacturing or fabric development avenues that Yohji would need in order to continue to expand on his work. Even designers like Geoffrey B Smalls who is running a very ethical business structure from what I have read on Stylezeitgeist still sells his clothing for pretty high prices. The best one can do is just don't support businesses that use unethical business practices and possibly also buy less even if you buy expensive.

Anyway, I don't believe that if you can afford to spend money on luxuries for yourself or others that you shouldn't just because somewhere in the world there are people suffering. One can help the world in other ways that do not involve donating money to charities or what have you. You are in medical school training to be a doctor for example. If you wore Yohji while helping to treat the sick in some developing nation somewhere for free I am sure the people you treat would not begrudge your wearing the same $2000 wool gabardine jacket for the 2 weeks you were helping them out (hell they wouldn't even know so it's not as if you would be rubbing how much it cost in their face) and you get the satisfaction of knowing that you are keeping one of the great fashion designers of our time in business.
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I just wanted to throw this out there but does anyone else feel bad about the price of all this clothing. It bothers me to spend so much on clothing when I could use the money to help people. I think esp for Y it bothers me a lot more because I dont consider him to be one of those fashion obsessed trendy designers like hedi or formachetti. When i saw that interview about how beautiful things are disappearing and how there is an antagonism between authority and rebellion and doing what is right and solving problems, it felt to me as if 1k for a jacket is not helping. I believe with my heart that beautiful things are disappearing, but part of that beauty is kindness and self-lessness and sometimes this fashion, even with all its positive aspects (copared to the rest), is another temptation?
TBH, id like to learn how to make clothing myself one day and make things at cost so that my cash can be invested in different social programs like those that help ppl find jobs. But i also want to support Y because of his vision and love of his craft.
Idk if im explaining myself well/\. shog[1].gif

shhhhh... you will wake the styleforum gods.

this is probably a topic that could apply to any community based on a material pursuit.. cars, guitars, art, clothes, whatever. It is unique that Yohji himself mentions the idea of disappearing beauty and valuing clothing that is made to a certain standard (ie. not fast fashion). Yet, his clothes are still just material things, and there's a point where you have to decide if your material pursuit is conflicting with your values. That point is probably a little different for everyone. fwiw, I was doing some volunteer work yesterday in a Yohji shirt, so I think it's possible to do both. :-)
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I picked medicine over a few other options because I felt that I would be doing good work every day. It would be very hard for me to do something else because I feel I have an obligation to do good works. I think perhaps it is a question of balance more than anything else. Sometimes though I can't help that it is unjust for me to enjoy luxury with so much basic inequity still around. I'm just a big softy frown.gif

Great to hear that parker. Its very hard to fit in time with all the studying I have to do to stay on top of school work. I try to do things on my free weekends (post test weekends are usually free since there isn't new material yet, although you can always read ahead).

Thanks guys smile.gif
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Just an aside, it's interesting that a couple of the pieces I have in wool gabardine seem like they will last a very, very long time -- really good construction and substantial materials. By contrast, the few cotton things I have are super delicate and seem designed to disintegrate easily. Intentional commentary on the fragile nature of life? Or is cotton just a dumb material for expensive clothing. (btw, the cotton feels very very nice)
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I picked medicine over a few other options because I felt that I would be doing good work every day. It would be very hard for me to do something else because I feel I have an obligation to do good works. I think perhaps it is a question of balance more than anything else. Sometimes though I can't help that it is unjust for me to enjoy luxury with so much basic inequity still around. I'm just a big softy frown.gif
Great to hear that parker. Its very hard to fit in time with all the studying I have to do to stay on top of school work. I try to do things on my free weekends (post test weekends are usually free since there isn't new material yet, although you can always read ahead).
Thanks guys smile.gif

I almost went in for medicine myself for the same reasons (ended up doing biotechnology because I thought I could still help this way without spending so long in uni) Ben.

Anyway, don't let feelings of guilt stop you from enjoying yourself. You need to be happy and content before you can impart the same feelings to others and if part of that involves enjoying some luxury hobby then so be it. The important thing is to curb excess and do "good works".

Tolstoy said "Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." and I believe this is a fundamental problem with the way we go about things in the world. If you are a good person and work on improving yourself, I think you will do good instinctively and have a positive influence on everyone around you whether you are rich or poor.

Donating money is one thing, but it is easily mismanaged and to be honest is an easy way out to make one feel like they have done their bit for those less privileged than themselves. I think volunteering like Parker said (or even donating some of your used Yohji to some homeless people!) probably has more of an effect and you can see the results with your own eyes.

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Just an aside, it's interesting that a couple of the pieces I have in wool gabardine seem like they will last a very, very long time -- really good construction and substantial materials. By contrast, the few cotton things I have are super delicate and seem designed to disintegrate easily. Intentional commentary on the fragile nature of life? Or is cotton just a dumb material for expensive clothing. (btw, the cotton feels very very nice)

Heh, was just noticing the very same thing. I do have some heavier cotton pieces that look like they will last ages (like the SS00 suit I picked up from wire. Still in excellent condition), but I guess if you go for light cotton there's only so much that can be done to make them durable. I do like the holes developing and so on though. That slow disintegration process is definitely great if viewed in the right light I guess (does depend on the piece though) - wabi-sabi ftw smile.gif
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