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post #16 of 28
I have a degree in finance, black captoes will be the foundation of your professional wardrobe, depending on your job in finance, you generally dress for credibility, too much of a dandy, people will start to wonder about your ability and honesty. I used to do revenue projections and was the poor sap that did the damn IRR calculations. All of this is either educated guessing or science fiction. If you wear shoes that are too bold, people will start to doubt your numbers.

I once had to go over a capital budget three times because my shoes made me look " too slick" and the boss REALLY went over my numbers to see I if I was an imcompetent moron based on the fact I had AE burgundy Sanfords on. J&M are passable, but save for a little bit longer and get AE PAs, they will never go out of style at the office. Most people don't notice/care as long as your shoes are black. They can pretty much be recrafted into perpetuity. Once you become established, you should stretch out with the shoes, like black wingtips and monks, but you should play it safe with decent black captoes IMO.

I see plenty of black loafers in the office, not really sartorial correct, but very common, you can get by on the hand me downs tip then, If anybody suggests Walnut Strands for a dog and pony show to the people who sign the cheques, they are idiots. People who sign the cheques can wear anything they want, people who don't can't.
post #17 of 28

Allen Edmonds

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Ferragamo

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Cole Haan

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Too Boot New York

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Santoni

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Basically you're looking for a traditional black lace up...  Derby or Oxford.

post #18 of 28

Oh, and my other bit of advice would be to look at the Ferragamo / John Lobb / Santoni / Church shoe websites for inspiration.  These tend to be on the expensive side but they do shoes right.  From there you can search for a similar but cheaper priced shoe.

 

Cheers.

post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by thompssc13 View Post

I'm a college student studying finance and accounting and am starting to build my professional wardrobe, and have a question regarding shoes. All the dress shoes up until now have been hand-me-downs from my dad, which were sufficient for the handful of times each year I had to attend a banquet or other trivial event. However, now I would like to purchase a new, decent quality pair that can last me a few years and double as both an interview shoe and a shoe that I can wear to my internship/work a few days a week. I know that proper care dictates letting the shoes rest at least one day between wearings. Fortunately my dad just gave me a nice pair of black slip-ons that will suffice to wear to work, but they are not nice enough for wearing to interviews.

So I'm looking to purchase another pair that I can alternate with that pair and can wear to interviews. I'm mostly looking for advice on what "style" of shoe I should be looking for, ie. square vs. rounded toe, shiny vs. not, etc. Although if anyone has a particular shoe in mind feel free to list the name and I'll look it up. I had picked out this pair http://www.johnstonmurphy.com/product.aspx?pid=38229&search=melton, but my dad said they are too formal to wear to work on an almost daily basis. I trust his judgement, because he's been successful and dresses very well, however he's not as knowledgeable as people on this site and I'm looking for further advice.

I appreciate any help!

Scott


As spoortin_life suggested, search for a deal on 2 pair of Allen Edmonds Park Avenues and buy 2 pair of shoe trees.
jrd617's advice is very important. The Park Avenues are calf and a better choice than the J&M cg.

Your fathers concerns are founded and no one will accuse you of under-dressing.
The PA's are an all-around better made shoe and will serve perfectly for interviews and work
(...and all those tiresome 'banquets and other trivial events' you have to suffer through. lol8[1].gif )

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You will need at least 2 pair of shoes in your rotation. After a days wearing your shoes need to rest for 24 hours.
Wny? The typical human loses about 1/4 cup of water through the feet per day. To maintain leather health, shoes need to air out for a day.
Untreated cedar shoe trees will not only wick away moisture from the leather but will help minimize creasing on the shoe.
Welcome to Styleforum.
post #20 of 28
NiceGuyTom, Those first 2 pairs are bluchers and are not preferred with a suit. The other shoes you posted were downright ugly.
Good try though!
post #21 of 28
^^^ What Lint said
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Originally Posted by NiceGuyTom View Post

Oh, and my other bit of advice would be to look at the Ferragamo / John Lobb / Santoni / Church shoe websites for inspiration.  These tend to be on the expensive side but they do shoes right.  From there you can search for a similar but cheaper priced shoe.

Cheers.

That Cole Haan number certainly did not take any design cues from John Lobb lol8[1].gif
post #22 of 28
My best suggestion is to get a pair of traditional black cap toes, like you have posted.

If you can afford to go a bit higher in price get some AE Park Ave's or Fifth Ave's. Some will say the Fifth is too showy and slightly less formal because of the perfing on the toe. I will call BS on that (unless you are are trying to wear them with a tux). No one will notice it really, and its give a touch of life to the shoe without limiting them like a wingtip.

I am not sure what you can afford at the moment being in college but get the best item that you can with the funds you have. A slightly used pair of Parks or Fifth's on eBay can got for under $100, and they are nearly perfect. Worst case they need a new heel, which will run you a few bucks at a shoe repair shop. Same with poorly labeled or listed shoes from better makers.

Also if you are prepared to spend full retail on the AE's, Brooks Bros is having a major sale right now, and their Peal and Co. shoes are on sale. I think these are far better than AE's (IMO) and they can be had for similar money to the AE's at full retail. I just got their perforated cap toe in black for around $160.00 out of pocket, despite their $360+ sale price (I had a GC and a returned some ties that I got but decided against later). Crockett and Jones makes these and they are better than the C&J benchgrade, but just below the handgrade models. Not quite the $1100.00 Edward Green captoes that BB sells, but they are a fantastic shoe, if you can justify popping for them.

http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=523&Product_Id=728929&Parent_Id=522&default_color=BLACK&sort_by=&sectioncolor=&sectionsize=

Here is a decent Ask Andy thread about them vs. Allen Edmonds

http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/forum/showthread.php?111964-Thoughts-on-this-Peal-amp-Co-Shoe-In-Black.

PM me if you need any info on how to eBay shop for good shoes.
post #23 of 28
Everybody has an opinion, but all most will agree that a black captoe should be your first shoe. The Allen Edmonds Park Avenue (AE PA in Styleforum speak) is the best value and will last you a long time. Don't overthing this one, just buy it.

Then get a decent single breasted solid Navy or solid Charcoal suit.
post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by thompssc13 View Post

I'm a college student studying finance and accounting and am starting to build my professional wardrobe, and have a question regarding shoes...

The J&M Melton you refer to in your original post will serve your purpose quite well for a new sub $200 business dress shoe. Once you can afford to expand and evolve your shoe collection, you will look back fondly at these shoes as your starter pair.

As others have stated, the black cap toe shoe is a business standard, so don't be concerned that it will be considered too formal. It will actually make you come across as more business like than not.

If you have to frequently wear your dress shoes multiple days in a row, it would be wise to buy more than one pair to rotate with. Not the same model, but the same style. A pair of $200 shoes worn day in and day out will look like crap pretty quickly. Two pair of $200 shoes, worn every other day, will look better and last longer than a single pair of $400 shoes worn every day.

J&M makes a good dress shoe for the sub $200 SRP market. AE is a step up and generally a more classic shape, but typically run in the $300+ SRP market. You really have two ways to go here, and your budget will decide which: Buy sub $200 shoes that will serve your current purpose for the next year or so and then be replaced by more expensive shoes later (as your budget allows), or buy more expensive, longer lasting, higher quality shoes right now.

Always buy the best shoe you can afford, but also be practical about your situation and your budget.
post #25 of 28
A black captoe is a great first shoe, and it will likely be a workhorse in your wardrobe.

A few others have mentioned trying to get a pair of Allen Edmonds instead of the J & M shoes--if you grab a pair of seconds, you should be able to get them at a similar price as the JM's, and you'll effectively be doubling or tripling the quality and longevity of the shoes. While it might not seem important now, you will be glad you chose AE over JM in five years when your shoes are still around and still look presentable.

Check out eBay and the B&S threads to see if you can get a great deal on some AE Park Avenue's or otherwise. Remember to check your AE size, which is specific to each shoe style, before you make a purchase.

Good luck!
post #26 of 28
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Originally Posted by Ivon View Post

I once had to go over a capital budget three times because my shoes made me look " too slick" and the boss REALLY went over my numbers to see I if I was an imcompetent moron based on the fact I had AE burgundy Sanfords on.

Sounds to me like your boss is the incompetent moron.
post #27 of 28
He was the old crusty stick in the mud I mentioned in another post. Fifteen years behind in fashion, very vocal opinions and conservative. Ironically, his 1965 look would be SF approved now. Think Don Draper as a bitter 50 year old. Professional, I dress for credibility, financial projections are always taken with a grain of salt, so I don't try to shoot myself in the foot with inappropriate clothing. I want them to follow the numbers, not my shoes now. Rest of the time I could wear a loincloth and they probably wouldn't notice...
post #28 of 28
Thread Starter 

Wow everyone, I appreciate all the feedback! I'm glad to hear the black captoe is the right choice, because I really like that style of shoe, and think it suits me well. Since the AE's seem so strongly recommended, I think I'll look around for a secondhand pair. We've still got the receipt for the J&M's so I can return those and get the $ to fund some AE's. 

 

Thanks a ton!

 

Scott

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