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Yes,
new science show that livestock raising is main factor for Co2 for global warming,
up to 80%,
it worse than car pollution.

I'd like to see some documentation on that...including all the peripheral industries that service or are dependent on the petroleum industry.

For instance, we can talk about rubber outsoles... but no one thinks about the chemicals that are associated with using rubber outsoles. Let's document how many metric tons of just tolulene are generated, used, and released into the environment, for the express purpose cementing Topy to the bottom of a perfectly good outsole. Or benzene, or MEK.

I've breathed it all my career (trying to reduce or get away from it now in later life)...I'm not a better person for it.

And FWIW, forests are one of, if not the "main factor", for reducing CO2. And have been time out of mind...even when the Bison herds in NA, all by themselves, were equivalent to the livestock industry.

Cows=corn=oil. Pretty well documented the environmental effects of the industrial cattle industry.
post #62 of 96
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I'd like to see some documentation on that...
Yes.
Me post it later.
post #63 of 96
I did not know people were this divided over rubber half soles.. I actually first was recommended to use this by an Allen Edmonds seasoned store associate and never looked back. I do not like my shoes to be slippery and tend to rotate shoes often and found that half soles have helped a lot. I find that the bottom of the shoes don't get eaten up as fast. I get very very thin half soles and never noticed excess sweating so that might be it.
post #64 of 96
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I agree, but what about winter boots? How were the soles made before rubber? Were the soles just plain leather and people wore crampons? Was there anything that could be done to give leather soles themselves more traction?
I don't like overshoes, but I also don't have the space at work to store three pairs of different coloured shoes. (Real estate is at a premium so the client puts well-paid consultants in cubicles meant for guys working in a call centre.) As I take public transit, trudging through snow and slush is a given in winter. I'm looking for a stylish alternative to Neos overshoes. No, I don't think SWIMS quite cut it either.
I want kick-ass, all-leather dress winter boots with great traction that can be worn indoors as well as out. Is that a fantasy?

Hiking boot designs, with triple or quadruple leather soles studded with hobnails. Or at least that's what they used for serious mountaineering. Day to day wear, they just used boots or shoes, probably with a double sole. Crampons or hobnails for day to day wear would have been rare.

Leather can put up with a lot of shit. Those things would absolutely never need a resole, the nails would absolutely stop wear. Same idea behind a nailed heel on a dress shoe. But I would imagine they were a bitch to break in.

As for not slipping on snow and ice, I've lived in that sort of climate. It's not as hard as you might think. I rarely even thought about it, and this was at a school where there were paths across the snow packed down to ice, which were used as standard sidewalk routes. You just walk, same as you would in rubber, which I slipped on with about equal frequency. The only shoes I never really slipped in were the bean boots or my hiking boots with the giant lug soles, and I didn't wear either of those on a day to day basis. And the worst slip I ever had (came really close to whacking my head on a concrete step quite hard) I was wearing shoes with rubber soles.
post #65 of 96

 

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Actually most of the animals that have "leather" are bovine and have hoofs, not leather on their feet. And others have claws and pads not leather feet. Just saying....

 


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You've revitalized my respect for The Farmer. I hope that your example will encourage more of your earthy brethren to post on SF


I am not a farmer, just stating a biological and measurable scientific fact. The original reference to farm hands as somehow a "lesser" human being I find extremely crass.

 

When I moved to Mn. from NC Dr. Atkins (of the Atkins diet) had just slipped on ice while walking to work and hit his head on the sidewalk which caused his death. Everyone in NC told me that I was crazy to move that far North as I was certain to meet the same fate. While I do not know for sure I am willing to bet he was wearing leather soles. But that is speculation on my part and an observation of how little traction leather soles have compared to rubber soles.

post #66 of 96
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I am not a farmer, just stating a biological and measurable scientific fact. The original reference to farm hands as somehow a "lesser" human being I find extremely crass.

When I moved to Mn. from NC Dr. Atkins (of the Atkins diet) had just slipped on ice while walking to work and hit his head on the sidewalk which caused his death. Everyone in NC told me that I was crazy to move that far North as I was certain to meet the same fate. While I do not know for sure I am willing to bet he was wearing leather soles. But that is speculation on my part and an observation of how little traction leather soles have compared to rubber soles.

Are you sure him hitting his head was the cause of death and not a heart attack while falling from high cholesterol? confused.gif
post #67 of 96
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Damn. I'm still waiting for my first pair of bespoke shoes from Jon Gray. If they turned out well, I might ask for a pair of bespoke winter boots.
Your boots look like they have commando soles. I'd like to see DWFII's thoughts on all-leather (including the soles) winter boots. I sometimes slip on marble with leather soles. Don't know how one can avoid slipping on snow and ice with leather.

They have Vibram soles. Commando soles are much thinner in profile and are stitched on. These are much thicker and glued to the midsole.
post #68 of 96
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Are you sure him hitting his head was the cause of death and not a heart attack while falling from high cholesterol? confused.gif


 

That is what much of the medical community would like you to think but he died of bleeding of the brain when his head hit the sidewalk. Somewhat ironically 3 years ago I started the Atkins diet and pretty much live on Porterhouse and ribeye steaks, eggs, bacon, etc. and my cholesterol dropped in half and blood pressure is way down. The proof is in the measurable metrics, don't drink the cool-aide.... Considering where I work it drives the Doctors nuts although my personal physician says he doesn't care and to keep doing what I'm doing. He is a Department chair so who am I to argue?

post #69 of 96
So, I guess that you are a vegan, but one step removed, right?
post #70 of 96
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They have Vibram soles. Commando soles are much thinner in profile and are stitched on. These are much thicker and glued to the midsole.

I think that what the other dude is trying to say is that an all meat diet helps you walk in snow and ice, like polar bears and lynx.

If you've seen film of these animals in the Arctic, you'll see that he has an interesting point.
post #71 of 96
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I am not a farmer, just stating a biological and measurable scientific fact. The original reference to farm hands as somehow a "lesser" human being I find crass.


Don't get me wrong, I admire agrarian democracy. Particularly riding around on horses.
post #72 of 96
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I think that what the other dude is trying to say is that an all meat diet helps you walk in snow and ice, like polar bears and lynx.
If you've seen film of these animals in the Arctic, you'll see that he has an interesting point.

You mean I have had it all wrong for all of this time? confused.gif
post #73 of 96
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While I do not know for sure I am willing to bet he was wearing leather soles. But that is speculation on my part and an observation of how little traction leather soles have compared to rubber soles.

As I mentioned previously I have been wearing leather outsoles for most of my life. It may be instructive to add that I grew up, and attended college, in Minnesota.

That said, we can speculate all we want and present our personal anecdotes as gospel but what all of it suggests to me is that slippage has less to do with the leather and more with the gait or balance of the individual.

If you grew up in Minnesota, you also know that people who move there (a rare event) from warmer states usually have trouble driving in snow and ice. I speculate that more accidents in Minnesota are caused by warm weather drivers than by native Minnesotans. Is it the fault of their tires? Which, may I remind us all, are high traction rubber? I don't think so.

If leather outsoles were the issue, the human race would long since be extinct from all the ice related accidents (apocryphal) over the millennia when rubber soles were unknown..
post #74 of 96
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The original reference to farm hands as somehow a "lesser" human being I find extremely crass.

If you look hard enough I'm sure you can find much else that is far more crass. And which even further obfuscates the point.

My father grew up on a farm in rural Missouri. I spent many years of my youth on that farm. My dad always said that farmers walked with a bounce in their gait as if stepping from one furrow to the next. Why that is I have no idea...but I can, from experience, picture it. Which is more than most people who post here are able to do.

The point, however, for those who wish to hear it...is that people sometimes don't have the most balanced of gaits--they simply don't know how to walk. Just as many people don't really know how to breathe.

Lots of people walk with their hips forward, or conversely their butts pushed back. They lean forward as if into a wind or "truck on" like an R. Crumb caricature. Some never bend their knees.

If you can't keep the weight of your body centered over the balls of your feet you can fall in any environment. If nothing else, that's the evolutionary penalty that comes with standing upright and balancing on a very small foundation.
post #75 of 96
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The point, however, for those who wish to hear it...is that people sometimes don't have the most balanced of gaits--they simply don't know how to walk. Just as many people don't really know how to breathe.

A good way to learn how to walk is to practice, practice, practice with a martini in one hand.

Once mastered, move on to a martini in each hand.

Just to amplify what you are saying: just last week, I was surrounded by people falling left and right, all gasping for air. Now I know why.
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