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post #46 of 127
Then don't.

Good luck with the deadlifts.
They've done wonders for your fitness already!
Just remember, one false move and you'll be back here with triple the issues.
Enjoy !
post #47 of 127
Thread Starter 
belligerent stupidity is a winning combination. thanks for your help.
post #48 of 127
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belligerent stupidity is a winning combination. thanks for your help.

Stupidity? Here's stupidity:
Trashing your back, then calling ME stupid for condemning the very action that directly trashed your back.
LOL. Golden.
post #49 of 127
Manton,

Have you gotten into the foam roller game at all? They work wonders. I have pulled an erector in my back twice during the last 5 years, and I came back from it much faster the second time when I learned about foam rollers.

You just roll on the damn thing like a log. Crazy, right? It sounds like pseudoscience, but I can say that ample anecdotal evidence backs their use. My powerlifting crew has several, and we've all used them from time to time with great results. Their most common use is to work out lactic acid and otherwise warm up tight muscle groups in your back, but several of us have had great success using them to help rehab tweaked back muscles.

Trust me. Hit one of these things for 2-3 minutes after a lower body workout (squats, deadlifts, good mornings, whatever) and tell me that you don't feel great.

EDIT: I should note that it won't make the pain disappear entirely, but I expect that it would go a long way towards loosening you up and easing the pain.
post #50 of 127
Yes, Manton has now entered the wonderful world of back pain remedies. The powerlifter set will also be a great source for all sorts of scams and implements for that temporary relief. He also now has a lifetime pass for the wonderful world of Big Pharma addiction. Great job! Might as well set up a new account dedicated to your wonderful new life of chronic back pain.
post #51 of 127
Reevolving: I think the frustration directed towards you stems from your arguing and dismissing the fact that deadlifts with proper form and a manageable weight can be safe. Yes, there is always the risk of fucking up your back by inherently doing dead lifts, but the OP was trying to prevent exactly that.

You can't just dismiss the deadlift because it got him hurt in the first place. That's like saying you should never drive a car because you got into a wreck before. There is a safe way to do it properly so as to strengthen your core and minimize injury. Cost benefit analysis shows that as long as your form is good, the pros outweigh the cons.
post #52 of 127
Fuck deadlifts man, do Yoga. It'll get you huuuuge and strong as fuack.

Did 315lb deadlift doubles for speed work today and exploded my lower back, silly me for thinking it was possible to pick a weight off the floor.
post #53 of 127
More people hurt their backs doing curls than deadlifts. Just, you know, throwing that out there.


Also foam rollers are widely accepted in athletic training circles. Everybody from runners to lifters to MMA people use them. They're good stuff. I have one, works wonders for soreness and mild injuries.
post #54 of 127
Thread Starter 
Reevolving, you're being a dick, in addition to an idiot.

Have you noticed that you are the ONLY one saying what you are saying? And not just in this thread but, basically, anywhere? There are probably millions if not hundreds of millions of people who deadlift safely yet you and you alone INSIST AT THE TOP OF YOUR LUNGS that they are all killing themselves and it's the most dangerous things ever. Basically, you're the homeless guy on the street corner with the "End Is Nigh" sandwich board. Except he is typically better behaved.
post #55 of 127
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Basically, you're the homeless guy on the street corner with the "End Is Nigh" sandwich board. Except he is typically better behaved.

And better dressed.
post #56 of 127
Thread Starter 
Interested in this foam roller thing. So do I just put it under the afflicted area and roll back and forth on it?
post #57 of 127
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Interested in this foam roller thing. So do I just put it under the afflicted area and roll back and forth on it?

Basically start at the end farthest away from your center and slowly work in. If you hit an area that hurts, just sit there for a while and then continue on. You'll probably want to make a couple passes, but generally you want to go slow rather than "back and forth."

After you get a little more used to it, you can put more pressure on areas that are problematic. It does hurt though, sometimes a lot if you're really sore. Really seems to work though, less for treating injuries (they do talk about "breaking up muscle adhesions etc etc) than just for making things feel better.
post #58 of 127
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

Reevolving: I think the frustration directed towards you stems from your arguing and dismissing the fact that deadlifts with proper form and a manageable weight can be safe. Yes, there is always the risk of fucking up your back by inherently doing dead lifts, but the OP was trying to prevent exactly that.
You can't just dismiss the deadlift because it got him hurt in the first place. That's like saying you should never drive a car because you got into a wreck before. There is a safe way to do it properly so as to strengthen your core and minimize injury. Cost benefit analysis shows that as long as your form is good, the pros outweigh the cons.

+1.

Six years ago, at the age of 45, I went to an osteopath for low back pain. He gave me stretching exercises to do every day and asked me to start lifting weights to build up my back and core muscles and improve my posture. I found a weightlifting coach and started doing (you guessed it) deadlifts and squats under his supervision. I saw and felt results after about 6 months and today my posture is better than it's been since I was about 13, my weight went from 155-160 to 180-185 lbs at a respectable 13% body fat (I'm 6'3"), and I actually have back muscles now. And I have no back pain. But what would I know...
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To put it bluntly, doing deadlifts is fucking idiotic.
At 40? Take the above phrase and square it.

...I'm just a fucking idiot.
post #59 of 127
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Interested in this foam roller thing. So do I just put it under the afflicted area and roll back and forth on it?

Something like that.
post #60 of 127
Manton, one thing I've discovered is that my pains usually mean that the opposing muscle groups, not the muscles that are hurting, are too tight. Whenever my lower back is sore these days, it's usually the hamstrings, quads, periformis, or IT bands that are tight and pulling my back out of alignment. Tall guys like you and I need to pay special attention to the legs, especially hamstrings and quads. The best resource I've found for stretching is this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Stretching-30th-Anniversary-Bob-Anderson/dp/0936070463/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1325531964&sr=1-1

The "Everyday Stretching Routine" is almost identical to a routine that the osteopath gave me to do and targets the whole body. I used to do the routine for 45 minutes a day; now I stretch for about 30 minutes every other day and after every workout.

Foam rollers were recommended to me by various people and IME they work to target particular areas of a muscle that are tight. Stretching exercises are limited because by doing them you stretch primarily those areas of a muscle that are already flexible, but not necessarily the specific region that is tight. When you use a foam roller, you use your body weight to roll over a muscle, with the roller underneath, to find knots in the muscle and then you can hang out for awhile on the knot until the muscle relaxes, you lose patience, or you can't take the discomfort any more. Good luck with the back.
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