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post #46 of 97
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If I interpret this correctly when the trouser is lying flat and you measure across the trouser from from front crease to back crease, the thigh is 11", knee 7 1/2", calf 7" and bottom 6 1/4".
if this is so, please post a picture of the trouser you have that have these measurements. Who made the trouser fit these measurements? This is a very very trim silhouette. It would be difficult to find jeans that are this trim.

Jeggings biggrin.gif

What is the chino version of jeggings? Chiggings?

I'm extremely skinny and my tightest trousers (Mabitex) have a thigh of about 23". Since I started doing squats and deadlifts those don't even fit any more, and my other pairs with a 24" thigh are about as tight as could be wearable. Unless you're emaciated I can't imagine a 22" thigh being far off skin-tight.

Then again, maybe the OP is this guy:

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post #47 of 97
I'm sorry if I come across a bit harsh, but if an experienced tailor chooses not to do something, I suggest rethinking what you're asking. At the very least, ask for a simple explanation and be done with it. If you still insist of the changes, go to anther tailor who is willing to do the work.
post #48 of 97
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Let's not blow this out of proportion. I don't object to his taking pride, as such, and I'm not attempting to make any profound assessments of tailors. I just thought I'd share my little experience and my little thoughts to gain some perspective on it.

If anything, perhaps I object to his undeserved sense of pride that borders on arrogance, and his insensitivity to my position as a customer.

How is his work generally? I'd kill for a really good alterations tailor in my town ( I mean this literally: if there are any top-notch tailors who are willing to move to Baltimore and are in need of a "favor", PM me).
And you are having Gap chinos repeatedly altered?
post #49 of 97
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If anything, perhaps I object to his undeserved sense of pride that borders on arrogance, and his insensitivity to my position as a customer.

So self-pride is something that you confer upon others, and not something others are entitled to develop a sense of on their own?
post #50 of 97
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Probably true in the case of tailor-made clothing, but here we're talking about slimming the leg of a pair of OTR khakis - who would ever know that this particular tailor did the work (or that the khakis were even altered in the first place).

Tailor listens to customer and does something he knows is wrong.

Customer is thrilled. Takes item home.

Wears it out and notices people falling down laughing.

Wonders why.

After many weeks during an intervention a friend mentions the pants.

The customer tells him the damn tailor did it. The customer didn't want it that way but the tailor told him it would be perfect. He trusted the tailor

For the next thirty years he tells everybody he meets about the terrible tailor that conned him into believing these pants were good enough.
post #51 of 97
Ain't that something. A customer shopping for a fight whilst shopping for a service.

No wonder the business fired the customer.
post #52 of 97
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Tailor listens to customer and does something he knows is wrong.
Customer is thrilled. Takes item home.
Wears it out and notices people falling down laughing.
Wonders why.
After many weeks during an intervention a friend mentions the pants.
The customer tells him the damn tailor did it. The customer didn't want it that way but the tailor told him it would be perfect. He trusted the tailor
For the next thirty years he tells everybody he meets about the terrible tailor that conned him into believing these pants were good enough.

I 100% agree.

You are a marketing/business student right? I would presume that you are interested in developing a career in your chosen field of study.

Now think of yourself as a senior marketing executive (40 years down the road). A client comes to you looking to perform a marketing strategy that you believe will not work. You've tried similar strategies in the past, and without fail, they've never been successful. You feel adamantly about this. Would you proceed with your client's request, knowing that there is a high likelihood of failure? Is your 40 years of experience meaningless? Your pride an integrity are on the line here.

Bottom line, as an experienced craftsman, there is some level of respect that they've earned. If they do not have that self respect, I would argue that they are not fully engaged in their trade. Its not to say that your request was completely out of line, but there should be a red flag that is raised when you receive a response like that. There could have been a compromise made.

I can honestly relate to your feelings about tailors that appear to be aloof or unwilling to perform certain alterations. From experience, most times they have very valid reasons for not performing those alterations.
post #53 of 97
Spending money on j. crew chino alterations is like putting spinners on an el camino.
post #54 of 97
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Spending money on j. crew chino alterations is like putting spinners on an el camino.

WHY DO YOU HATE LOW RIDERS?
post #55 of 97
One underlying thing that needs to be addressed here: The customer is not always right. The customer is often an utter moron who shouldn't be indulged.

Sounds like that's the case here.
post #56 of 97
22" thigh is understandable on a slim guy, I'm short and slim and have pants made with ~20" thigh, actual thigh 19".

The hem though... I don't know how you slip your foot through that.

Don't let the overweight middle-aged jealousy get to you... keep rocking that sh!t skintight. It may be bad tailoring or an insult to the "heritage" or "tradition" or whatever pompous way in which you want to describe tailored clothing, but the girls love it. For now at least.
post #57 of 97
While I can't speak to the sensibility of the OP's particular request, I'm a sympathetic ear to the extent that I have found tailors at times--including the one I regularly go to--to be frustratingly obstinate when it comes to certain things, even issues as variable as pant length. I've had several instances where a tailor has either resisted or tried to dissuade my requests for no break because trousers "should" have break or "need" to cover the (the practical entirety of) shoes. (Even bringing pictures and actual pairs of pants that have the length I want were no help to my case.) I get that there are different generations, schools, and sensibilities about how things 'should' be, but I have had difficulty getting what I want before on requests that I don't think are out of line or would jeopardize the person's reputation.

I've never been kicked out, as it were. At times I've simply left with my stuff and said, "I guess I'll keep it the way it is." I have managed to get the requested length at times, but it has come with a vocal sigh and a skeptical "oookaaay." (I also sense that my tailor rather err on the side of more rather than less length, less the results be too short.) Granted, when I did get what I wanted, the results were great and the tailor's work very good. Maybe it's me; maybe I'm not being as consistently assertive as I need to be or maybe the tailor knows better, but I think this is a case of differing style, nothing more.

I realize that my post count probably warrants the response 'find a new tailor' but I've tried and have experienced the same resistance or shoddy work. So at this point I'm willing to fight the mild good fight now and again.
post #58 of 97
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post #59 of 97
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Thank you. This is basically all I wanted to say.

But it's also different. Because that guy was talking about how he much break he wanted. You can hem pants however you want, heck turn them into short shorts if you desired. But tapering the leg is a different alteration. How much does the leg measure currently? how much are you asking him to take in?
post #60 of 97
I have a separate tailor do do alterations for eBay garments, I trust his judgement. Shops like thes are usually not swimming in $$$. If he balks at a customer's idea, he is exercising his professional judgment, a prudent man should be grateful that the tailor would place his principles ahead of $$$. He is risking the current job and any future jobs you may have for him by refusing yo do it. Recently, in the current craze for more fitted garments, I saw some moron wear a suit taken in so severely I could see his suit jacket pockets sticking out from BEHIND. If my aleration tailor let me walk out of the store like that; I'd be pretty angry that he did not say anything about it and happily collect his fee knowing you would like like a moron wearing a garment lIme that.

An analogy would be like dining in Chez Snooty and ordering a bottle of Chateau D'Yiem with a steak. The wine cost an arm and a leg, but it is a dessert wine, in that case; a waiter that is willing to point that out merits more respect than one that only wishes to sell that bottle.
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