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post #31 of 293
Joffrey,

You do this often it seems. You know nothing about something listen to the hype but don't care to research the subject and then poop on it. You're depressing.
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Hmmm... I'm in the small camp that thinks he did not near do the Books justice.
The Hobbit is much shorter and simpler and so should be easier to do a complete job and they are doing two films so that is hopeful.
It looks like the dwarves are going to be comic relief though and I hated that about the films. I hope to God that was not a love interest we saw there for Gandalf.
Sets and actors look the part, that is one thing the LOTR films nailed. I would expect the dragon to be awesome. Lots of actions, lots of cool characters, less to fuck up, I guess I want to be hopeful.
We'll see.

How so? (Re: not doing books justice)
post #33 of 293
Makes me kinda want to watch that creepy animated version again.
post #34 of 293
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Hmmm... I'm in the small camp that thinks he did not near do the Books justice.
I agree..... but when has any movie really done the book it was based on justice?
I don't get why people always say this line about movies made from books. "it didn't do the book justice, it didn't do the book justice" yadda yadda yadda. No shit it didn't do the book justice. Books are better experiences than movies.
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Joffrey,
You do this often it seems. You know nothing about something listen to the hype but don't care to research the subject and then poop on it. You're depressing.

Mauro baby, why you try to hurt me?



Joffrey
post #36 of 293
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I agree..... but when has any movie really done the book it was based on justice?
I don't get why people always say this line about movies made from books. "it didn't do the book justice, it didn't do the book justice" yadda yadda yadda. No shit it didn't do the book justice. Books are better experiences than movies.

The thing people fail to realize is that, in books, you have an unlimited amount of time for your audience. To make a true-to-the-book LotR copy would have taken easily three times the screentime, if not even longer. Some changes bugged me (elves at Helm's Deep? wtf?) but modifying the story is always necessary for a book that length to be a good film. I disagree that books are better experiences than movies. Books are different experiences.
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I disagree that books are better experiences than movies. Books are different experiences.

I couldn't agree more. I enjoy both media for their own advantages.
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The thing people fail to realize is that, in books, you have an unlimited amount of time for your audience. To make a true-to-the-book LotR copy would have taken easily three times the screentime, if not even longer. Some changes bugged me (elves at Helm's Deep? wtf?) but modifying the story is always necessary for a book that length to be a good film. I disagree that books are better experiences than movies. Books are different experiences.

Modifying yes, but I though PJ changed some important elements of the story to no advantage.
post #39 of 293
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Modifying yes, but I though PJ changed some important elements of the story to no advantage.

+1

Faramir's character (and I mean moral character) was entirely misrepresented and "psychologized." The books portray Faramir as the moral better of his brother Boromir (evocative of Cain and Abel, in its own way), not some weakling craving approval from daddy.
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+1
Faramir's character (and I mean moral character) was entirely misrepresented and "psychologized." The books portray Faramir as the moral better of his brother Boromir (evocative of Cain and Abel, in its own way), not some weakling craving approval from daddy.

Yep, glad you got it.
post #41 of 293
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I feel like Howard Shore will have full recordings of all the poems and songs in an "extended" Hobbit release (akin to the LotR Complete Recordings). I really hope so, at least. The Hobbit had some of my favorite poetry in the series.
post #42 of 293
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Originally Posted by kwilkinson View Post

I agree..... but when has any movie really done the book it was based on justice?
I don't get why people always say this line about movies made from books. "it didn't do the book justice, it didn't do the book justice" yadda yadda yadda. No shit it didn't do the book justice. Books are better experiences than movies.

The thing people fail to realize is that, in books, you have an unlimited amount of time for your audience. To make a true-to-the-book LotR copy would have taken easily three times the screentime, if not even longer. Some changes bugged me (elves at Helm's Deep? wtf?) but modifying the story is always necessary for a book that length to be a good film. I disagree that books are better experiences than movies. Books are different experiences.

IIRC, there were elves at Helm's deep.
post #43 of 293
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IIRC, there were elves at Helm's deep.
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In the novel, there are no other Elven archers besides Legolas present. Legolas merely wishes that they had a hundred archers of Mirkwood with them, and tells Gimli that his folk are busy with their own troubles. The Elves of Lothlórien and Mirkwood do withstand assaults by Sauron's armies; but these battles occur off stage. In his commentary on the Extended DVD version, Jackson said he wanted to show the sacrifice of the Elves in a visible fashion. Craig Parker, the actor who portrayed Haldir, suggested on his commentary his character was killed to show the consequences of battle as opposed to "boys running around hitting sticks together and wandering off at the end."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Hornburg

Wikipedia has everything. Oh well. Saves me having to flip through the 5 chapters that Helm's Deep comprises.
post #44 of 293
Elves at helm's deep didn't bother me. I was most saddened that they didn't include the part at the end of RotK when the hobbits go back to the shire only to find all the hobbits enslaved.

I remember when I first saw the EE of The Two Towers and Merry & Pippin drinking the ent water, that they were going to include enslavement of the hobbits in the EE of RotK. They didn't. frown.gif
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Elves at helm's deep didn't bother me. I was most saddened that they didn't include the part at the end of RotK when the hobbits go back to the shire only to find all the hobbits enslaved.

I remember when I first saw the EE of The Two Towers and Merry & Pippin drinking the ent water, that they were going to include enslavement of the hobbits in the EE of RotK. They didn't. frown.gif
Me too. I was also annoyed by the replacement of what was it?, Lord Glorfindel.

At deadly: You're right, I'm sure: http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?8720-Elf-leader-who-dies-in-helms-deep smile.gif
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