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post #286 of 293
Gotcha. Ideally I would have loved to see the Hobbit as a 3 hour movie that stayed true to the book, with a 3½ hour extended edition showing stuff like Gandalf going to Dol Guldur (but no silly made up characters to pad it). Oh well.
post #287 of 293
It seems Legolas loved him some lembas the days before LOTR
post #288 of 293
Warning: Long, spoilers.

One person's thoughts on the Hobbit movies so far.

First, The Hobbit is one of my favourite books, having had it read aloud to me when I was a kid and having read it several times since (lastly a couple of days ago, after seeing the 2nd Hobbit movie).

To me, PJ's LotR movies are nearly perfect (especially the first one). Granted, I do have some minor issues I'd liked to see differently, like the Orc design (I've come around to like that) and the design of the troll in the mines of Moria (still hate that one) and some story issues, like not seeing the Scouring of the Shire at the end. But all in all I think the books were well realised on the big screen, even when PJ added stuff (Liv Tyler's character) I think it mostly worked out well.

The success of the LotR adaptations makes the failure of the Hobbit ones all the more painful.

Some random observations on the first two movies, first the good:

Ian McKellen *is* Gandalf. Much of the production design (buildings, costumes, weapons, etc). The dwarves singing at Bag End in the first film. Benedict Cumberbatch as Smaug in the second. Evangeline Lilly (because she's cute). Balin actually looking like a dwarf.

And some bad:

The dwarves don't look like dwarves (except Balin). Evangeline Lilly (because she doesn't belong in the story and, more importantly, doesn't add to it). Legolas ditto. Azog. HFR. 3D. Action shot to be cool in 3D. CGI orcs. Dwarf/elf/elf love triangle. The ridiculous size of the dragon hoard (related: How is Bilbo supposed to pocket and hide the Arkenstone when it's the size of a football?). And as much as I love Mikael Persbrandt, Beorn is all wrong: Someone that turns into a huge black bear shouldn't look like a blonde werewolf reject, he should be a large, hirsute, lumberjack looking guy with a black beard.

Now, to me the biggest problem with the Hobbit movies, is that the scope is all wrong. LotR (the books) are epic and deserved an epic treatment. The Hobbit is arguably a better *story* in it's tighter narrative and deserves a movie focused on that.

Written as a children's story, The Hobbit is a fairy tale with different obstacles placed in the path of our travelling companions and about how they overcome them, but for some reason PJ doesn't care about that.

Instead of showing us how Gandalf uses cunning to let the inhospitable Beorn accept 15 guests for a week or two, we just skip it. Instead of letting Bilbo save the dwarves from the spiders of Mirkwood with strategy, the elfs swing in and save the day. Instead of Bilbo finally finding a way out of the wood elves fortress (after several weeks, hiding invisibly and stealing food), stealthily escaping down the river, it's turned into an orc/elf fight *for absolutely no reason and with no consequences*. Etc.

PJ is forcing 'epicness' on the story by inventing stuff and ignoring or fast-forwarding through the more subbtle (but arguably greater) fairy tale elements. Bilbo's journey takes a year, but from the movies it seems like they've been on the road for a week.

And considering where the second movie ended, most of the third will propably be about the Battle of Five Armies, a fight that Bilbo plays nearly no part in and that takes up *less* than a chapter in the book. Meh.

Hopefully one day someone will give this story the treatment it deserves, but it is not this day.

[/GEEK]
post #289 of 293

The beorn part really bugged. I read the hobbit a while back but I remember that part having so much content to be put in the film, and it was merely given something like 15 minutes..

 

Having now seen 2 out of 3 movies, how would it have worked if they had made just 1 film? I know that´s how it went down for LOTR, but even if you take out all the extra stuff (scenes, characters, etc), you still have so much to cram into one 3 hour film..

 


Edited by Lionheart Biker - 12/29/13 at 7:48pm
post #290 of 293
I got dragged to the 2nd one by a bunch of Tolkien fans who wanted to see it opening day.
I made a point to skip on the first one, as it looked like crap. Ended up seeing it the day before the release of Smaug.

So disappointing. A made up love story, flaccid visuals, boring annoying characters and poor acting. To make it worse they're billing it as the same kind of epic on scale with the original trilogy when it's not.

I just want to see a large scale fantasy epic done well. That's all. Really.
post #291 of 293
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Originally Posted by MortimerHobbs View Post

So disappointing. A made up love story, flaccid visuals, boring annoying characters and poor acting. To make it worse they're billing it as the same kind of epic on scale with the original trilogy when it's not.

I just want to see a large scale fantasy epic done well. That's all. Really.

 

Exactly! The first one for me was much better than the second movie. The movie has ended suddenly IMHO and felt like we needed to see more action and less made up love story. Now it will be another few years for the next movie and hopefully they wouldn't repeate the same mistakes for fans who have been waiting for new adventures and more major character development. 

post #292 of 293
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Originally Posted by eatbreathedrive View Post

Now it will be another few years for the next movie and hopefully they wouldn't repeate the same mistakes....

Movie comes out in December. Already all shot together...
post #293 of 293

You are correct, still 11 months to go :(

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