I certainly cannot stop *anything* from being discussed on the internet, but I can make a decision as to whether something is or is not detrimental to Styleforum. One of the things that has kept Styleforum vibrant all these years has been that the conversations have been collegial, and while not respectful in tone, respectful of the various participants. I think that in this discussion, we've crossed that line.
The difference between this topic and pretty much all of Foo's discussion topics is that they are nearly all silly, while this is rather serious. I think that allegations of theft are more serious than Foo's issues with snooty Hermes SAs. And these allegations are much more amorphous and difficult to answer than whether or not someone ordered pants and had not yet received them. As far as I know, everyone has received ties. It's the provenance of the silks that is in question, and from all the posts I've read, and blog posts from tiemakers, opinions are mixed, and it boils down to a "he said, he said" situation.
I read Gianni's post, and the subsequent discussion, and it seems that those who were not convinced remained unconvinced, and those who were convinced stayed convinced. As I posted before that explanation, those who are convinced will continue to patronize Gianni, and those who don't, will not. ime, there types of "controversies" are never resolved.
I've said this privately to the mods, and I may as well say this publicly. Over the last decade and a half or so, I've had the privilege of working with literally hundreds of designers, manufacturers, and retailers - and pretty much everyone has something bad to insinuate about their competition. Veiled and bald allegations of fraud, theft, and general dishonesty and bad business practices are the topic of many, many, conversations. There have been instances when I've talked to one manufacturer or retailer, and heard some pretty serious allegations, and then talked to the other retailer or manufacturer, and heard pretty much exactly the same thing about the first. Gossip and innuendo are common currency. The problem arises when gossip is told to customers who then take these opinions as gospel truth, and who then report these opinions to the general public.
We've actually rejected many affiliates requests to delete negative posts about their businesses that were made outside of their affiliate threads. We even had to give two affiliates the boot because they were defrauding members (as in, goods were paid for and never received) or were found liable for misleading and illegal business practices (and no, I'm not going into further detail about either case.) However, in this case, there are actual, unsubstantiated allegations of fraud and theft. I made a judgement call based on what I've read and what I know about the garment trade. Some may disagree with my decision, but it's ultimately my responsibility to weigh the pros and cons, and make that decision.
You are always free to discuss customer service and the quality of fabrication.
The "vintage or not" thing seems sorta silly to me. Having strong opinions about anything based on low res, adjusted, pictures on the internet is ridiculous, and the "experts" seem to be divided on the subject anyway. I am tempted to not allow it, just to save myself the hassle of wading through all the posts, but I'm not going to do so. Instead, think of this as a boxing match. You get one warning for a low blow (which has already been issued), and after that, you have to be more careful about letting your hands travel south of the equator, because you'll get a point deducted if you do.
I don't have a pony in this race. I do have a PC tie, but I bought it second hand, and I didn't buy it because it was vintage (though it is...I think. No white back). I'd be...content...with Gianni at least changing his first post to reflect the more accurate description of his silks which he recently provided. I said it in that thread, and I just want to say it here. Bare minimum, I don't think anyone can dispute that to be the right thing to do.