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post #31 of 49
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

That's like saying dont buy a Tom ford suit cuz its made by Zegna

 

lolwut. It's more like saying don't buy an Abboud suit because it's made by JAB.

post #32 of 49
well still same idea
post #33 of 49

Are Tom Ford suits made by Zegna?

post #34 of 49
As far as cheap watches are concerned, I'd recommend Seiko.
post #35 of 49
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Originally Posted by Patek View Post

Not at all. Besides, only watch affectionados know what they are. My daily wear is a 14k gold vintage JLC (1957) with a gator strap.
Rolexes say: "I have no idea what a good watch is but I'm very impressionable to advertising and I wanted to show the world/easily impressionable people that I had $8k to burn and [lack of] taste to match!"
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Originally Posted by Patek View Post

Nothing wrong with Rolex--it is just a decent middle-of-the-road watch. Due to successful marketing they have transformed their image into a "luxury brand" when the truth is that they make a decent watch but nothing special at their price point. Most of their movements are outsourced so you are actually buying the caliber of movement found in a $2k or so watch and paying the Rolex markup. In addition, the neavou riche and the Jersey Shore crowd tend to gravitate towards the brand as they see it as a status symbol--further cheapening the brand.
These and other is why watch affectionados stay away. I do like some of their vintage stuff but I would not wear one for fear of being associated with that crowd.

these are some hilariously bad posts - thanks for the laugh.
post #36 of 49
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Originally Posted by atila View Post

these are some hilariously bad posts - thanks for the laugh.

I'm guessing you have a Rolex and were offended.

If so: Rolex makes a perfectly good watch--the point was that there are much better watches out there for the same/less money that many people don't buy because they don't "know" the brand. A guy complemented me on my watch two days ago and asked me what it was. I told him it was Zenith El Primero. His face went blank and he said "oh..." having no idea what it was. He was obviously not a watch guy but to each his own.
post #37 of 49
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Originally Posted by EMartNJ View Post

 

They do but my criteria was privately owned and make their own movements. Rolex, PP, and AP are the only ones that can boast both.
 

 


NOMOS is also in that category along with a whole slew of ultra high-end private manufacturers including Phillipe Dufor

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by atila View Post


these are some hilariously bad posts - thanks for the laugh.

 

And they weren't bad posts. Speaking as someone who spends 95% of forum time on WUS he is right on most things except the outsourced movements. Rolex are well designed watches who sell mostly because of the marketing image they have fastidiously cultivated. Most WIS opt for something other than Rolex simply because of the negative associations.

 

Rolex makes a fine watch but commonly are seen as overpriced with a less than desirable public image in the WUS community

post #38 of 49
With Rolex, you are no question paying a bit for their branding but his first post actually implies Rolex is a crap watch, to quote: "I have no idea what a good watch is... and a lack of taste to match". <--- Yeah, I'd say you're 100% incorrect with that.

If you posted something more rational, something closer to your final post explaining then I would have no problem with what you posted. But when you make sweeping generalizations, especially with the big OOPS statement of saying they outsource their movements? Yeah, expect to get "checked" for your post.

Carry on.
post #39 of 49
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Originally Posted by Klobber View Post

Is anything Michael Kors good?

Absolutely.

http://joonbug.com/national/charity/Fashion-Designers-With-A-Heart-Michael-Kors/ziYhoEcTaDy
post #40 of 49
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Originally Posted by atila View Post

With Rolex, you are no question paying a bit for their branding but his first post actually implies Rolex is a crap watch, to quote: "I have no idea what a good watch is... and a lack of taste to match". <--- Yeah, I'd say you're 100% incorrect with that.
If you posted something more rational, something closer to your final post explaining then I would have no problem with what you posted. But when you make sweeping generalizations, especially with the big OOPS statement of saying they outsource their movements? Yeah, expect to get "checked" for your post.
Carry on.


Fair enough although you are still incorrect in thinking they don't outsouce. I know at least one movements of their that was made by JLC and another by Zenith (both makers that I prefer and own). So they have done their share of outsourcing albeit from good makers.

As far as taste go, I stand by MY statement that they are for people who don't know any better and simply want a watch that they think looks expensive. However, there is no debating taste and that statement is my opinion on taste. Individual results may vary.
post #41 of 49
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Originally Posted by Patek View Post

Fair enough although you are still incorrect in thinking they don't outsouce. I know at least one movements of their that was made by JLC and another by Zenith (both makers that I prefer and own). So they have done their share of outsourcing albeit from good makers.
As far as taste go, I stand by MY statement that they are for people who don't know any better and simply want a watch that they think looks expensive. However, there is no debating taste and that statement is my opinion on taste. Individual results may vary.

while i agree to a point with SOME of your comments, but saying theyre for people who dont know any better is quite laughable. I dont like to toot my own horn, but i know more about watches than a guy should. Ive had a box full of watches that were worth more than my house. real time hands on experience with countless watches and makers. 99% of the time, ill have a rolex on my wrist. Im not on the jersey shore, but i do know more than you do. foo.gif
post #42 of 49
Never buy a fashion watch. It's an outsourced $25 quartz watch marked up to whatever an idiot will pay. Sometimes, thousands.
For a simple rule of thumb, stick to watches made by actual watchmakers, even if it's Seiko, Timex, or Swatch.
post #43 of 49
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Originally Posted by atila View Post

With Rolex, you are no question paying a bit for their branding but his first post actually implies Rolex is a crap watch, to quote: "I have no idea what a good watch is... and a lack of taste to match". <--- Yeah, I'd say you're 100% incorrect with that.
If you posted something more rational, something closer to your final post explaining then I would have no problem with what you posted. But when you make sweeping generalizations, especially with the big OOPS statement of saying they outsource their movements? Yeah, expect to get "checked" for your post.
Carry on.

I wouldn't say he was 100% wrong. I think its fair to say that there is no brand out there that sells more watches simply on image and perceived exclusivity to people who know nothing about what they're buying. Ask any non-WIS, middle America person what the best watch is: Rolex. Ask them what the most expensive watch is: Rolex.

 

I think his point was that, although they are getting a solid, well-built product, Rolex as a brand has a disproportionate amount of owners that know nothing about their timepiece other than the branding. This can sometimes convey the image that a Rolex owner may not actually be interested in watches at all, simply the status the brands brings.

 

At the end of the day Rolex owners get a good (some may argue overpriced) product whether they know anything about it or not.


Edited by MZhammer - 8/28/12 at 1:36pm
post #44 of 49
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Originally Posted by DerekS View Post

while i agree to a point with SOME of your comments, but saying theyre for people who dont know any better is quite laughable. I dont like to toot my own horn, but i know more about watches than a guy should. Ive had a box full of watches that were worth more than my house. real time hands on experience with countless watches and makers. 99% of the time, ill have a rolex on my wrist. Im not on the jersey shore, but i do know more than you do. foo.gif

Great story bro... I'm glad you know so much about what I do for a living and how much I know about watches.

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Originally Posted by Reevolving View Post

Never buy a fashion watch. It's an outsourced $25 quartz watch marked up to whatever an idiot will pay. Sometimes, thousands.
For a simple rule of thumb, stick to watches made by actual watchmakers, even if it's Seiko, Timex, or Swatch.

Good advice from Reevolving!

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Originally Posted by MZhammer View Post

I wouldn't say he was 100% wrong. I think its fair to say that there is no brand out there that sells more watches simply on image and perceived exclusivity to people who know nothing about what they're buying. Ask any non-WIS, middle America person what the best watch is: Rolex. Ask them what the most expensive watch is: Rolex.

I think his point was that, although they are getting a solid, well-built product, Rolex as a brand has a disproportionate amount of owners that know nothing about their timepiece other than the branding. This can sometimes convey the image that a Rolex owner may not actually be interested in watches at all, simply the status the brands brings.

At the end of the day Rolex owners get a good (some may argue overpriced) product whether they know anything about it or not.

MZhammer, you are much better than I am in expressing what I'm trying to say.
post #45 of 49

Yes in it's history Rolex did use movements from other companies. However they have been all in house since they stopped using the Zenith movement and went to their in house movement in the Daytona since 2000. Yes their Tudor Brand still uses the top of the line ETA movements which is not an house movement.

 

But keep in mind even Patek used other manufactures movements. However they now use all in house movements as well.

 

Both great manufactures in their own right, just very different in many aspects.

 

So Rolex is a very popular product, this doesn't mean it isn't a really great product. It just means it's a very popular product, with a very loyal fan base. Their known for their history, craftmanship, durability, and dependability. True, they spend more than anyone else in regards to marketting, but they also sell more watches than any other luxury watchmaker. Rolex makes between 750,000 and 950,000 watches a year, and they do so with a team of quite a few robots. 

 

Patek only makes about 44,000 watches a year. But Patek on the other hand finishes alot of their product by hand, and they create an entirely different type of product. The level of detail in regards to their product is absolutely amazing. They're extremely well respected, and known for their history, their extremely complicated movements, and their attention to detail.

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