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post #9256 of 12089
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Originally Posted by rc121 View Post


that sizing looks more like 42.5 EE. This is why you need to try on some other dress shoes (hopefully from AE). You cannot gauge your sizing based on sneakers, especially if you have wide feet. I wear a 10-10.5 in most Nikes, so when I first went to dry on dress shoes I was trying around that size. Well guess what? I worked my way all the way down to a size 8 in Allen Edmonds, albeit in a EEE width.

Ahhh, I see.

 

Thanks for your input, sounds like I may be in a similar situation.

post #9257 of 12089
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Originally Posted by AceBoogie View Post

New to meermin and I placed an order a few hours ago and got a confirmation email and then just recently got another email saying status has changed but when I log on, there's nothing different. Just says order introduced into system

How exactly do I pay for the shoes? Via paypal or cc?

You wait for order initiated and order finished, then the fourth email asks you to pay, as the shoes are ready to be shipped.
post #9258 of 12089
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Originally Posted by rqc0 View Post

Hi,

Thanks for your input, we just happened to post at the same time.

Could you check my most recent post and give your thoughts on that?  (Sorry if the pics are too blurry?)

Thanks so much.

Well, I was suspecting something like that, already.

EU 42 would have been the equivalent reference if your foot length is indeed close to 265 mm. Since measurement devises are calibrated to use half a size more, I'd have expected a 42.5 and this is what the devise indeed shows (since you overstep the 42).

So, your measurement is probably correct.

The reason why you wear shoes in larger sizes is very probably because your heel, instep, waist, and ball girth measurements are above average, as well. This is rather common. My feet are like that as well.

In other words, you tried shoes that are probably "true to size" (or close to it) although your feet are not! smile.gif

The result is that you size up by about a full unit (from your reference size of US 9 to US 10). This is because the fit feeling mostly results from the volume of a shoe where the leather is close to the skin.

Meermin's lasts, unfortunately, generally have a low volume, including the New Ray. You may be able to get away with wearing a UK 9.5 in the New Ray. My gut says, you may even need a UK 10 but I have no data to back this up.

However, be aware of the disadvantages: If you buy shoes in higher sizes (than your reference(s)), the volume may match, but the shoes will be too long for your feet, which probably results in
  • faster abrasion of the tip of the soles, and
  • deeper creases than usual (maybe, deep enought to create blisters on top of your toes), and
  • an increased risk of developing health problems in the long run (since a UK 9.5 shoe is 13 mm too long, and the soles act as a resistance that your feet have to overcome for every step).

Honestly, you should be looking at another maker.
post #9259 of 12089
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Originally Posted by Claus View Post


Well, I was suspecting something like that, already.

EU 42 would have been the equivalent reference if your foot length is indeed close to 265 mm. Since measurement devises are calibrated to use half a size more, I'd have expected a 42.5 and this is what the devise indeed shows (since you overstep the 42).

So, your measurement is probably correct.

The reason why you wear shoes in larger sizes is very probably because your heel, instep, waist, and ball girth measurements are above average, as well. This is rather common. My feet are like that as well.

In other words, you tried shoes that are probably "true to size" (or close to it) although your feet are not! smile.gif

The result is that you size up by about a full unit (from your reference size of US 9 to US 10). This is because the fit feeling mostly results from the volume of a shoe where the leather is close to the skin.

Meermin's lasts, unfortunately, generally have a low volume, including the New Ray. You may be able to get away with wearing a UK 9.5 in the New Ray. My gut says, you may even need a UK 10 but I have no data to back this up.

However, be aware of the disadvantages: If you buy shoes in higher sizes (than your reference(s)), the volume may match, but the shoes will be too long for your feet, which probably results in
  •  
  • faster abrasion of the tip of the soles, and
  • deeper creases than usual (maybe, deep enought to create blisters on top of your toes), and
  • an increased risk of developing health problems in the long run (since a UK 9.5 shoe is 13 mm too long, and the soles act as a resistance that your feet have to overcome for every step).

Honestly, you should be looking at another maker.

Claus, 

 
Thanks so much for your insight and explanations.  Very helpful for me as a new purchaser for quality shoes.
 
This is sad to hear that Meermin may not be a good brand for me because of the low volume lasts.  I have been slowly reading online and looking for quality brands.  I like Meermin's designs and I also like that they are a "new" brand.
 
As for the health issues, thank you for that comment.  This makes sense to me now that whenever I buy new shoes, I occasionally tripped when going up stairs because of the extra length.  Also on some of my shoes such as Wolverine 1000 and John Varvatos captoes, the front do seemed scratched quickly, but I assumed I was just too careless.
 
AE has been well vaunted, but for some reason I do not feel much of an appeal for them.  
 
Are all these considerations serious enough to not bother with Meermin?
What do you suggest as a good alternate brand?
 
Thanks so much.
post #9260 of 12089
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Originally Posted by rqc0 View Post

Are all these considerations serious enough to not bother with Meermin? What do you suggest as a good alternate brand?

Whether this is sufficiently serious to stay away from the New Ray and similar lasts – hm, hard to tell. The evidence I've seen so far has quite a few methodological flaws, in my opinion. But it's at least evidence, so this is nothing one can simply ignore.

From my personal experience: I find it easier to walk longer distances in shoes only one unit off from my reference compared to the 1.5 I'd need for lasts that run true to size (and close to it). I wouldn't touch the New Ray.

A good alternate last if you don't like AE (which I can understand) would be Loake's 026 last in G.

Depending how much your girths measurements deviate from the average, you may still need to go half a size up (ie. UK 8.5) but that would still be an improvement. The last looks awesome, especially with a cap toe oxford upper, in my opinion. Here's an example with a semi-brogue upper. From Loake, the Tweed, Ayr, and Severn are all build on the 026 in G.

Another idea would be Alden's Barrie and Trubalance if you like boots. The Indy 405 (IIRC) is a classic and it should also be wide enough for you to wear it in a size close to your reference.

If you want to stick to Meermin, the Rui last in EE is the widest, I think. Here's a popular example. Meermin fans here may also be able to say if other lasts are available in EE as MTO.
post #9261 of 12089
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Originally Posted by Claus View Post


Whether this is sufficiently serious to stay away from the New Ray and similar lasts – hm, hard to tell. The evidence I've seen so far has quite a few methodological flaws, in my opinion. But it's at least evidence, so this is nothing one can simply ignore.

From my personal experience: I find it easier to walk longer distances in shoes only one unit off from my reference compared to the 1.5 I'd need for lasts that run true to size (and close to it). I wouldn't touch the New Ray.

A good alternate last if you don't like AE (which I can understand) would be Loake's 026 last in G.

Depending how much your girths measurements deviate from the average, you may still need to go half a size up (ie. UK 8.5) but that would still be an improvement. The last looks awesome, especially with a cap toe oxford upper, in my opinion. Here's an example with a semi-brogue upper. From Loake, the Tweed, Ayr, and Severn are all build on the 026 in G.

Another idea would be Alden's Barrie and Trubalance if you like boots. The Indy 405 (IIRC) is a classic and it should also be wide enough for you to wear it in a size close to your reference.

If you want to stick to Meermin, the Rui last in EE is the widest, I think. Here's a popular example. Meermin fans here may also be able to say if other lasts are available in EE as MTO.

Thanks again for your input, Claus.

 

I am in the US, so that is why I initially skimmed over Loake's, as it would be difficult for me to obtain them without paying a lot for shipping.  I read that Loake's make some, or all(?) of Charles Tyrwhitt's shoes and they seemed nice, so perhaps I shall revisit them.  Also, I haven't checked out Alden yet, so I will look into those too.

 

All in all, I liked the price point (even with shipping) and style of Meermin's.  I do not have a serious history of hurt feet yet, despite all these years not knowing exactly how to properly size my feet to shoes.  I thank you for your input, and I will wait to hear from Luisa whether they can somewhat confidently be able to determine a good size for me, depending on the last of each style.

 

If anyone else has input on Meermins or any other thoughts, feel free to post.

 

Thank you all again for making my first posts very worthwhile.

post #9262 of 12089
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Originally Posted by Claus View Post


Whether this is sufficiently serious to stay away from the New Ray and similar lasts – hm, hard to tell. The evidence I've seen so far has quite a few methodological flaws, in my opinion. But it's at least evidence, so this is nothing one can simply ignore.

From my personal experience: I find it easier to walk longer distances in shoes only one unit off from my reference compared to the 1.5 I'd need for lasts that run true to size (and close to it). I wouldn't touch the New Ray.

A good alternate last if you don't like AE (which I can understand) would be Loake's 026 last in G.

Depending how much your girths measurements deviate from the average, you may still need to go half a size up (ie. UK 8.5) but that would still be an improvement. The last looks awesome, especially with a cap toe oxford upper, in my opinion. Here's an example with a semi-brogue upper. From Loake, the Tweed, Ayr, and Severn are all build on the 026 in G.

Another idea would be Alden's Barrie and Trubalance if you like boots. The Indy 405 (IIRC) is a classic and it should also be wide enough for you to wear it in a size close to your reference.

If you want to stick to Meermin, the Rui last in EE is the widest, I think. Here's a popular example. Meermin fans here may also be able to say if other lasts are available in EE as MTO.

Thank you again, Claus.

 
[I originally wrote a response but it did not post and said it would be reviewed, so I am trying again:]
 
In regards to Loake's, I live in the US and shipping would be expensive, which is why I did not do much in depth research on it.  I read that Loake's makes some (or all?) of Charles Tyrwhitt's shoes, so perhaps I will look into them some more.  I also have not researched much on Alden's yet, so I will look into them too.
 
As for Meermin's, I generally like their price point (even with shipping) and style.  I will see what Luisa e-mails back, and see if they are able to confidently suggest a proper size for me.  Thus far, even without knowing my proper shoe size, I have not had a history of much shoe pain, so perhaps I will err on the opposite side of caution.
 
If anyone else has experience with Meermin's or other thoughts to consider, please post here.
 
Thank you all for making my first posting experience here very worthwhile.
post #9263 of 12089
rq, the main issue is first finding out your true size (or at least a size to start off for comparison sake). If you only measure out to a US E width, then it really doesn't limit you all that much. But once you get to EE or wider, your options get a lot more limited. And while Claus' suggestion for loake might be sufficient if you are an E width, it probably won't be wide enough if you are a EE. Loake's f width is their standard, so G is equivalent to a US E width (generally speaking).
post #9264 of 12089
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Originally Posted by rc121 View Post

rq, the main issue is first finding out your true size (or at least a size to start off for comparison sake). If you only measure out to a US E width, then it really doesn't limit you all that much. But once you get to EE or wider, your options get a lot more limited. And while Claus' suggestion for loake might be sufficient if you are an E width, it probably won't be wide enough if you are a EE. Loake's f width is their standard, so G is equivalent to a US E width (generally speaking).

Thanks, RC.

 

Per my prior comment, I like Loake's but haven't given them serious thought since I am in the US and shipping would be expensive.

 

I will try to get to a store and try some AE's, Alden's or Charles Tyrwhitt's on to get a better understanding of my size. I'll also wait to see what Luisa says from my photos to see if they can make a good estimate on what my size should be for their different lasts.

post #9265 of 12089
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Originally Posted by rqc0 View Post
 

Ok... I was at a bespoke shop today and they had a footbed measuring tool, so I used that.

 
I took pictures of it with my foot in it, and I came out a 42 in European measurements... but by the conversion tables online that would make me smaller than a US10.  (Also, maybe sneakers and regular shoe sizing are different from quality shoe sizing?)
 
It's a bit blurry for the width and arch measurements, but I think I am a standard width which I thought was D, but according to the tool description I am a E, is that correct?
 
And I asked them about the arch measurement, but not many knew about that.
 
I'm attaching the photos, which I also just sent to Luisa.
 
Do you guys think this info is sufficient or do I still need to go track down an AE/Nordstrom store and find an AE 5 last? 
 
Thanks in advance, I appreciate your help

 

I am sorry to say almost all that info you got I think is useless when tring to size for meermin.

Their are only 3  pieces of info that could end up helping. When buying cold turkey.

 

1) Your physical length and width numbers for your foot. taken flush with your foot subtract out the width of an pencil as you draw. Then compared to the wooden last's measurements <- This helps know physical limitations that you just wont fit into. BUT IT DOES NOT TELL YOU WHAT WILL FIT YOU WELL

 

2) Getting sized at an known manufacturer of shoes Allen Edmonds or someone as reputable. <- this helps with the overall volume of your foot, BUT IT DOES NOT HELP WITH WHERE YOUR FOOT WILL FIT BEST IN THE SHOE. e.g. if the ball if your foot is incorrect your will not like the shoe.

 

3) Find an picture of an flat-on last and go though the steps of overlaying your foot image over that of an last <- This helps you see if the curvature of your foot matches that of the last. See my post at http://www.styleforum.net/t/277707/meermin-mallorca-shoes/8865#post_6887049   THIS IS CRUTIAL TO DO and takes some time with an ruler. If you want the olfe last here are some pics I found:

 

 

 

 

Also those braddock devices are shitty. They over size me by like 2 sizes. on the braddock I am an 10US in meermin I am an 8.5US (7.5UK). However all my AE shoes are generally 8.5 US so yea I would not use that scale. Plus different companies interpret that scale differently

 

P.S. These were the 3 steps I took when buying without trying meermin's on first and got an near perfect fit.


Edited by leetpuma - 2/17/14 at 5:59pm
post #9266 of 12089
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Originally Posted by leetpuma View Post
 

I am sorry to say almost all that info you got I think is useless when tring to size for meermin.

Their are only 3  pieces of info that could end up helping. When buying cold turkey.

 

1) Your physical length and width numbers for your foot. taken flush with your foot subtract out the width of an pencil as you draw. Then compared to the wooden last's measurements <- This helps know physical limitations that you just wont fit into. BUT IT DOES NOT TELL YOU WHAT WILL FIT YOU WELL

 

2) Getting sized at an known manufacturer of shoes Allen Edmonds or someone as reputable. <- this helps with the overall volume of your foot, BUT IT DOES NOT HELP WITH WHERE YOUR FOOT WILL FIT BEST IN THE SHOE. e.g. if the ball if your foot is incorrect your will not like the shoe.

 

3) Find an picture of an flat-on last and go though the steps of overlaying your foot image over that of an last <- This helps you see if the curvature of your foot matches that of the last. See my post at http://www.styleforum.net/t/277707/meermin-mallorca-shoes/8865#post_6887049   THIS IS CRUTIAL TO DO and takes some time with an ruler. If you want the olfe last here are some pics I found:

 

 

 

 

Also those braddock devices are shitty. They over size me by like 2 sizes. on the braddock I am an 10US in meermin I am an 8.5US (7.5UK). However all my AE shoes are generally 8.5 US so yea I would not use that scale. Plus different companies interpret that scale differently

 

P.S. These were the 3 steps I took when buying without trying meermin's on first and got an near perfect fit.

 

Okay, wow.

 

This is very interesting, a truly mathematical way of calculating the fit.

 

I will have to think on this for a while, it seems a daunting task at first sight.

 

Of the lasts I am interested in getting, 3 are Rui, 1 is Hiro, and 1 is Olfe. 

Since you have already provided the Olfe, perhaps I will try your method and compare results.  Then with the Olfe information, perhaps the Meermin staff can help approximate the others.

 

If you do not mind, I may need a couple days to approach this task and I will certainly seek your guidance then.

 

Thanks for this proposed approach at solving the issue, and I am glad to hear your hard work paid off in a perfect fit.

 

Will be in touch.

post #9267 of 12089
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Originally Posted by leetpuma View Post

I am sorry to say almost all that info you got I think is useless when tring to size for meermin.

Quite a bold thing to say if one's sample has the size of two, namely one's own feet. wink.gif

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post #9268 of 12089
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Originally Posted by Claus View Post


Quite a bold thing to say if one's sample has the size of two, namely one's own feet. wink.gif

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Lol just my feeling from what have seen happen to people on this thread in the past. I am not presumptuous enough to say it wont work but I have seen some seriously faulty brannock devices in my time. They almost never really scale to an dress shoe size.

(even the one that you print off from the AE website for AE shoes tells me im either 9.5 or 10. And I buy an 8.5 in every one of their lasts. It could be an width issue for me since I am probably an C width. But at the end of the day the brannock devices have failed me so I don't trust em)

 

Most people that were able fit AE 5 well were able to get sized up well in all but 2 cases of maybe 30-40 I saw.

 

Our friend rqc0 has shown that he may have some super wide feet so IDK how well any advice will work for him.

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P.S.
Thanks for the help getting sized when I was doing this a couple weeks back Claus. The 10mm leeway I left for my toes worked out perfectly. (I know you recommend a bit more in the 14mm+ range) but you advice was cruital.

post #9269 of 12089
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Originally Posted by leetpuma View Post
 

 

 

Also if he has wide feet what is the point of going to meermin. Since you can not get a sleek last. You may as well go to AE and shop there. With less headaches.


Edited by leetpuma - 2/17/14 at 10:36pm
post #9270 of 12089
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Originally Posted by rqc0 View Post
 

 

Just an FYI if you are mainly buying RUI lasts I am not sure why you would want to go with meermin.

 

The RUI is an fat-ish last that is very similar visually to most Allen Edmond's/alden's Lasts. So I find that a waste to go to meermin for.

AE/alden is closer to home and more convenient.

 

HIRO/OLFE on the other hand are styles you really cant find in the US. So that makes sense to buy from meermin.

 

And if you have truly wide feet you fit for olfe/hiro will be shitty.

 

Also for reference I think you may be ok depending on your instep height. I am 267mm x 105mm on my foot and I fit 7.5UK well on an meermin. And 8.5 on the AE 5 last well ( I can also do 9d on the 5 last with heel slip.)

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