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post #9256 of 11076
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Originally Posted by rqc0 View Post

I laid a tape measure on the floor and put my foot on top to get my measurements, is this the proper method? From 2nd long toe to heel, I am about 26.5cm in length (do I measure to the back of my heel that actually touches the floor, or all the way up the curve of the heel that goes a few more mms?)
And about 11cm in width where my foot is widest at ball of foot to the other side.
Is this a standard measurement for a US size 10?

Hard to tell from your description, but probably not.

I recommend to find a wall and use this as the starting point for your measuring tape. A wall in the bathroom is probably the best option, since you can fix the measuring tape to the floor with Scotch tape. Put your heel against the wall, and check the length to your longest toe.

Also, measure in Millimeter and don't round up or down to half a Centimeter.

To give you an idea why this is important: If your foot length were truely 265 mm, your reference size(s) would be a UK 8 and US 9. With that foot length, the average ball width would be something close to 102 mm. 110 mm would be very (very) wide. This is not a D width. I'd expect something more like a EE or EEE.

So, my guess is you probably mismeasured. It's important to stand upright while measuring, since kneeling will decrease your foot length, and affect any information you'll get.

Hope this helps.
post #9257 of 11076
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Originally Posted by leetpuma View Post
 

Make sure to find some thing on the AE 5 last that is the one that is closest to meermin widths.

Ok... I was at a bespoke shop today and they had a footbed measuring tool, so I used that.

 
I took pictures of it with my foot in it, and I came out a 42 in European measurements... but by the conversion tables online that would make me smaller than a US10.  (Also, maybe sneakers and regular shoe sizing are different from quality shoe sizing?)
 
It's a bit blurry for the width and arch measurements, but I think I am a standard width which I thought was D, but according to the tool description I am a E, is that correct?
 
And I asked them about the arch measurement, but not many knew about that.
 
I'm attaching the photos, which I also just sent to Luisa.
 
Do you guys think this info is sufficient or do I still need to go track down an AE/Nordstrom store and find an AE 5 last? 
 
Thanks in advance, I appreciate your help.
 

 

 

 

 

 

post #9258 of 11076
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Originally Posted by wurger View Post

Is olfe last narrower and longer?

That seems correct based on what I can feel initially. And after having each on for a little while, I can comment a bit further. So I believe I have a somewhat low instep. I figured the olfe might fit better, and in fact it does seem to. I actually tried on the hiro classic line bals at the trunk show and when laced, the quarters touched together. However, with these olfe bals, there's a good small gap. With that being said, there is also a fit difference between a dub monk and a bal, so I will reserve more commentary until I get a better feel for them.
post #9259 of 11076
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Originally Posted by Claus View Post


Hard to tell from your description, but probably not.

I recommend to find a wall and use this as the starting point for your measuring tape. A wall in the bathroom is probably the best option, since you can fix the measuring tape to the floor with Scotch tape. Put your heel against the wall, and check the length to your longest toe.

Also, measure in Millimeter and don't round up or down to half a Centimeter.

To give you an idea why this is important: If your foot length were truely 265 mm, your reference size(s) would be a UK 8 and US 9. With that foot length, the average ball width would be something close to 102 mm. 110 mm would be very (very) wide. This is not a D width. I'd expect something more like a EE or EEE.

So, my guess is you probably mismeasured. It's important to stand upright while measuring, since kneeling will decrease your foot length, and affect any information you'll get.

Hope this helps.

Hi,

 

Thanks for your input, we just happened to post at the same time.

 

Could you check my most recent post and give your thoughts on that?  (Sorry if the pics are too blurry?)

 

Thanks so much.

post #9260 of 11076
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Originally Posted by rqc0 View Post

Hi,

Thanks for your input, we just happened to post at the same time.

Could you check my most recent post and give your thoughts on that?  (Sorry if the pics are too blurry?)

Thanks so much.

that sizing looks more like 42.5 EE. This is why you need to try on some other dress shoes (hopefully from AE). You cannot gauge your sizing based on sneakers, especially if you have wide feet. I wear a 10-10.5 in most Nikes, so when I first went to dry on dress shoes I was trying around that size. Well guess what? I worked my way all the way down to a size 8 in Allen Edmonds, albeit in a EEE width.
post #9261 of 11076
New to meermin and I placed an order a few hours ago and got a confirmation email and then just recently got another email saying status has changed but when I log on, there's nothing different. Just says order introduced into system

How exactly do I pay for the shoes? Via paypal or cc?
post #9262 of 11076
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Originally Posted by rc121 View Post


that sizing looks more like 42.5 EE. This is why you need to try on some other dress shoes (hopefully from AE). You cannot gauge your sizing based on sneakers, especially if you have wide feet. I wear a 10-10.5 in most Nikes, so when I first went to dry on dress shoes I was trying around that size. Well guess what? I worked my way all the way down to a size 8 in Allen Edmonds, albeit in a EEE width.

Ahhh, I see.

 

Thanks for your input, sounds like I may be in a similar situation.

post #9263 of 11076
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Originally Posted by AceBoogie View Post

New to meermin and I placed an order a few hours ago and got a confirmation email and then just recently got another email saying status has changed but when I log on, there's nothing different. Just says order introduced into system

How exactly do I pay for the shoes? Via paypal or cc?

You wait for order initiated and order finished, then the fourth email asks you to pay, as the shoes are ready to be shipped.
post #9264 of 11076
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Originally Posted by rqc0 View Post

Hi,

Thanks for your input, we just happened to post at the same time.

Could you check my most recent post and give your thoughts on that?  (Sorry if the pics are too blurry?)

Thanks so much.

Well, I was suspecting something like that, already.

EU 42 would have been the equivalent reference if your foot length is indeed close to 265 mm. Since measurement devises are calibrated to use half a size more, I'd have expected a 42.5 and this is what the devise indeed shows (since you overstep the 42).

So, your measurement is probably correct.

The reason why you wear shoes in larger sizes is very probably because your heel, instep, waist, and ball girth measurements are above average, as well. This is rather common. My feet are like that as well.

In other words, you tried shoes that are probably "true to size" (or close to it) although your feet are not! smile.gif

The result is that you size up by about a full unit (from your reference size of US 9 to US 10). This is because the fit feeling mostly results from the volume of a shoe where the leather is close to the skin.

Meermin's lasts, unfortunately, generally have a low volume, including the New Ray. You may be able to get away with wearing a UK 9.5 in the New Ray. My gut says, you may even need a UK 10 but I have no data to back this up.

However, be aware of the disadvantages: If you buy shoes in higher sizes (than your reference(s)), the volume may match, but the shoes will be too long for your feet, which probably results in
  • faster abrasion of the tip of the soles, and
  • deeper creases than usual (maybe, deep enought to create blisters on top of your toes), and
  • an increased risk of developing health problems in the long run (since a UK 9.5 shoe is 13 mm too long, and the soles act as a resistance that your feet have to overcome for every step).

Honestly, you should be looking at another maker.
post #9265 of 11076
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Originally Posted by Claus View Post


Well, I was suspecting something like that, already.

EU 42 would have been the equivalent reference if your foot length is indeed close to 265 mm. Since measurement devises are calibrated to use half a size more, I'd have expected a 42.5 and this is what the devise indeed shows (since you overstep the 42).

So, your measurement is probably correct.

The reason why you wear shoes in larger sizes is very probably because your heel, instep, waist, and ball girth measurements are above average, as well. This is rather common. My feet are like that as well.

In other words, you tried shoes that are probably "true to size" (or close to it) although your feet are not! smile.gif

The result is that you size up by about a full unit (from your reference size of US 9 to US 10). This is because the fit feeling mostly results from the volume of a shoe where the leather is close to the skin.

Meermin's lasts, unfortunately, generally have a low volume, including the New Ray. You may be able to get away with wearing a UK 9.5 in the New Ray. My gut says, you may even need a UK 10 but I have no data to back this up.

However, be aware of the disadvantages: If you buy shoes in higher sizes (than your reference(s)), the volume may match, but the shoes will be too long for your feet, which probably results in
  •  
  • faster abrasion of the tip of the soles, and
  • deeper creases than usual (maybe, deep enought to create blisters on top of your toes), and
  • an increased risk of developing health problems in the long run (since a UK 9.5 shoe is 13 mm too long, and the soles act as a resistance that your feet have to overcome for every step).

Honestly, you should be looking at another maker.

Claus, 

 
Thanks so much for your insight and explanations.  Very helpful for me as a new purchaser for quality shoes.
 
This is sad to hear that Meermin may not be a good brand for me because of the low volume lasts.  I have been slowly reading online and looking for quality brands.  I like Meermin's designs and I also like that they are a "new" brand.
 
As for the health issues, thank you for that comment.  This makes sense to me now that whenever I buy new shoes, I occasionally tripped when going up stairs because of the extra length.  Also on some of my shoes such as Wolverine 1000 and John Varvatos captoes, the front do seemed scratched quickly, but I assumed I was just too careless.
 
AE has been well vaunted, but for some reason I do not feel much of an appeal for them.  
 
Are all these considerations serious enough to not bother with Meermin?
What do you suggest as a good alternate brand?
 
Thanks so much.
post #9266 of 11076
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Originally Posted by rqc0 View Post

Are all these considerations serious enough to not bother with Meermin? What do you suggest as a good alternate brand?

Whether this is sufficiently serious to stay away from the New Ray and similar lasts – hm, hard to tell. The evidence I've seen so far has quite a few methodological flaws, in my opinion. But it's at least evidence, so this is nothing one can simply ignore.

From my personal experience: I find it easier to walk longer distances in shoes only one unit off from my reference compared to the 1.5 I'd need for lasts that run true to size (and close to it). I wouldn't touch the New Ray.

A good alternate last if you don't like AE (which I can understand) would be Loake's 026 last in G.

Depending how much your girths measurements deviate from the average, you may still need to go half a size up (ie. UK 8.5) but that would still be an improvement. The last looks awesome, especially with a cap toe oxford upper, in my opinion. Here's an example with a semi-brogue upper. From Loake, the Tweed, Ayr, and Severn are all build on the 026 in G.

Another idea would be Alden's Barrie and Trubalance if you like boots. The Indy 405 (IIRC) is a classic and it should also be wide enough for you to wear it in a size close to your reference.

If you want to stick to Meermin, the Rui last in EE is the widest, I think. Here's a popular example. Meermin fans here may also be able to say if other lasts are available in EE as MTO.
post #9267 of 11076
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Originally Posted by Claus View Post


Whether this is sufficiently serious to stay away from the New Ray and similar lasts – hm, hard to tell. The evidence I've seen so far has quite a few methodological flaws, in my opinion. But it's at least evidence, so this is nothing one can simply ignore.

From my personal experience: I find it easier to walk longer distances in shoes only one unit off from my reference compared to the 1.5 I'd need for lasts that run true to size (and close to it). I wouldn't touch the New Ray.

A good alternate last if you don't like AE (which I can understand) would be Loake's 026 last in G.

Depending how much your girths measurements deviate from the average, you may still need to go half a size up (ie. UK 8.5) but that would still be an improvement. The last looks awesome, especially with a cap toe oxford upper, in my opinion. Here's an example with a semi-brogue upper. From Loake, the Tweed, Ayr, and Severn are all build on the 026 in G.

Another idea would be Alden's Barrie and Trubalance if you like boots. The Indy 405 (IIRC) is a classic and it should also be wide enough for you to wear it in a size close to your reference.

If you want to stick to Meermin, the Rui last in EE is the widest, I think. Here's a popular example. Meermin fans here may also be able to say if other lasts are available in EE as MTO.

Thanks again for your input, Claus.

 

I am in the US, so that is why I initially skimmed over Loake's, as it would be difficult for me to obtain them without paying a lot for shipping.  I read that Loake's make some, or all(?) of Charles Tyrwhitt's shoes and they seemed nice, so perhaps I shall revisit them.  Also, I haven't checked out Alden yet, so I will look into those too.

 

All in all, I liked the price point (even with shipping) and style of Meermin's.  I do not have a serious history of hurt feet yet, despite all these years not knowing exactly how to properly size my feet to shoes.  I thank you for your input, and I will wait to hear from Luisa whether they can somewhat confidently be able to determine a good size for me, depending on the last of each style.

 

If anyone else has input on Meermins or any other thoughts, feel free to post.

 

Thank you all again for making my first posts very worthwhile.

post #9268 of 11076
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Originally Posted by Claus View Post


Whether this is sufficiently serious to stay away from the New Ray and similar lasts – hm, hard to tell. The evidence I've seen so far has quite a few methodological flaws, in my opinion. But it's at least evidence, so this is nothing one can simply ignore.

From my personal experience: I find it easier to walk longer distances in shoes only one unit off from my reference compared to the 1.5 I'd need for lasts that run true to size (and close to it). I wouldn't touch the New Ray.

A good alternate last if you don't like AE (which I can understand) would be Loake's 026 last in G.

Depending how much your girths measurements deviate from the average, you may still need to go half a size up (ie. UK 8.5) but that would still be an improvement. The last looks awesome, especially with a cap toe oxford upper, in my opinion. Here's an example with a semi-brogue upper. From Loake, the Tweed, Ayr, and Severn are all build on the 026 in G.

Another idea would be Alden's Barrie and Trubalance if you like boots. The Indy 405 (IIRC) is a classic and it should also be wide enough for you to wear it in a size close to your reference.

If you want to stick to Meermin, the Rui last in EE is the widest, I think. Here's a popular example. Meermin fans here may also be able to say if other lasts are available in EE as MTO.

Thank you again, Claus.

 
[I originally wrote a response but it did not post and said it would be reviewed, so I am trying again:]
 
In regards to Loake's, I live in the US and shipping would be expensive, which is why I did not do much in depth research on it.  I read that Loake's makes some (or all?) of Charles Tyrwhitt's shoes, so perhaps I will look into them some more.  I also have not researched much on Alden's yet, so I will look into them too.
 
As for Meermin's, I generally like their price point (even with shipping) and style.  I will see what Luisa e-mails back, and see if they are able to confidently suggest a proper size for me.  Thus far, even without knowing my proper shoe size, I have not had a history of much shoe pain, so perhaps I will err on the opposite side of caution.
 
If anyone else has experience with Meermin's or other thoughts to consider, please post here.
 
Thank you all for making my first posting experience here very worthwhile.
post #9269 of 11076
rq, the main issue is first finding out your true size (or at least a size to start off for comparison sake). If you only measure out to a US E width, then it really doesn't limit you all that much. But once you get to EE or wider, your options get a lot more limited. And while Claus' suggestion for loake might be sufficient if you are an E width, it probably won't be wide enough if you are a EE. Loake's f width is their standard, so G is equivalent to a US E width (generally speaking).
post #9270 of 11076
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Originally Posted by rc121 View Post

rq, the main issue is first finding out your true size (or at least a size to start off for comparison sake). If you only measure out to a US E width, then it really doesn't limit you all that much. But once you get to EE or wider, your options get a lot more limited. And while Claus' suggestion for loake might be sufficient if you are an E width, it probably won't be wide enough if you are a EE. Loake's f width is their standard, so G is equivalent to a US E width (generally speaking).

Thanks, RC.

 

Per my prior comment, I like Loake's but haven't given them serious thought since I am in the US and shipping would be expensive.

 

I will try to get to a store and try some AE's, Alden's or Charles Tyrwhitt's on to get a better understanding of my size. I'll also wait to see what Luisa says from my photos to see if they can make a good estimate on what my size should be for their different lasts.

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