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Originally Posted by jaywhyy View Post

For real, 


<$100 worth of labor?

The only thing I was quite disappointed when I saw this video is that I thought that G&G lasted their shoes by hand.
post #7832 of 11528
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Originally Posted by Dan e gee View Post

They have a few lasts
Apologies if this has been posted. However, I have only read the first 5 pages and there seem to be a lot of talk over comparable lasts.
Hope this can help.

 

 

Thanks, hadn't seen that before.  Look at the vil last...did anyone fit into that thing.

post #7833 of 11528
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Originally Posted by Betelgeuse View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaywhyy View Post

For real, 


<$100 worth of labor?

The only thing I was quite disappointed when I saw this video is that I thought that G&G lasted their shoes by hand.

 

They are also GYW, rather than hand welted (bespoke not withstanding)

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Got some pics of the new chiseled last.pictures to follow soon
post #7835 of 11528
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Originally Posted by Handmadeshoes View Post


I could not help myself here. This is probably the most naive thing that I have ever read. Clearly you don't know a lot about shoes nor their manufacturing. But just to give you an idea, the leather that G&G uses for one pair of shoes costs more than $100 not to mention the many other (and higher) costs that go into a pair of shoes....

EG, G&G and the like are not ripping people off by any means....people like Gucci, Prada and LV are....quality costs money, which is why you have to pay a lot to get it.......but a business cannot stay a business if there is not a profit, so of course they are making some money to keep afloat and pay themselves for the hard work they put in, just like all of you are in your own fields of work. If any of you are lawyers, do you think that you are giving great value for money? Your CEO any of your companies is laughing it up, trust me! Shoemakers are not rich people....that's for sure....

 

Well said, Justin.  And let's not overlook the small detail that G&G make their shoes in England, where the minimum wage for an adult is around $10, and where they have to follow strict health and safety procedures, give paid sick leave, and having a maximum working week of 48 hours.  Whereas Meermin make their shoes in China, in conditions about which it would be unfair to speculate, yet one can safely assume are nowhere near the above: even when enforced, the minimum wage in China is as low as $1 per hour.  Then add in the fact that G&G or either high end makers use less than 10% of each hide, whereas (judging by some pics above) there's barely a millimetre of scrotum or sphincter that doesn't make it through the Meermin QC, then frankly it's amazing that the price disparity is so little.

 

As you said, the rip off is when cheap shoes are sold as "luxury items" based on brand alone - rather like clothing, "fashion" watches etc.  But when like is compared to like i.e. shoes made by shoemakers, it is often true that you get what you pay for.  I think Meermin are often good value.  So are Loake's Indian-made line, or the Samuel Windsor goodyear welted Chinese-made shoes I buy for my teenaged son.  Fantastically cheap.  Just let's not kid ourselves as to why, or that all things are ever equal.  I'm sure there's a sweet spot where quality and workmanship balance with slightly lower costs: Carmina? Vass?  But I doubt that true bargain point is as high up as G&G, or as low as Meermin.

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there's barely a millimetre of scrotum that doesn't make it through the Meermin QC

I lol'd when I read this.
post #7837 of 11528

Glad to be of service :)

post #7838 of 11528

Some update on the new chiseled last; here are the pics. Would be further refined so watch this space =)

 

 

 

 

post #7839 of 11528

When can this be used for MTO orders? I want my jodhpurs made to this.

post #7840 of 11528
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Originally Posted by Betelgeuse View Post

The only thing I was quite disappointed when I saw this video is that I thought that G&G lasted their shoes by hand.

...well, to give G&G a bit of credit, their lasting machines are around a century old, similar to EG's, and operated with levers. Plenty of manual labour and machinised skill involved. These old machines were created to replicate hand lasting, and full automation (as with the machines Loake and the like use) was not yet there. Justin knows better, but I've hunch that the end prices would rise by several hundred pounds if welting and lasting were made by hand only. G&G's is a combination of manual and machine labour to meet a price point without sacrifing make entirely.

Still, I expect some new makers to follow Meermin's model and have some stages of shoemaking take place in China, India and the like. I believe D.C. Lewis took this route before Meermin. Their pairs are worth a look if you like Meermin's prices but not their finishing:

http://www.kentwang.com/shoes
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If I understand correctly, DC Lewis make their cheaper line in Vietnam, and their higher one in Taiwan, and the shoes are completely finished in these countries.  Meermin have their shoes clicked, closed, lasted and (hand)welted in China, before machining the soles on and finishing back in Malorca. This last part is important because it makes the shoes "made in Spain" instead of "made in China", for marketing purposes.

 

I've never tried DC Lewis - any thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Handmadeshoes View Post

I could not help myself here. This is probably the most naive thing that I have ever read. Clearly you don't know a lot about shoes nor their manufacturing. But just to give you an idea, the leather that G&G uses for one pair of shoes costs more than $100 not to mention the many other (and higher) costs that go into a pair of shoes....

EG, G&G and the like are not ripping people off by any means....people like Gucci, Prada and LV are....quality costs money, which is why you have to pay a lot to get it.......but a business cannot stay a business if there is not a profit, so of course they are making some money to keep afloat and pay themselves for the hard work they put in, just like all of you are in your own fields of work. If any of you are lawyers, do you think that you are giving great value for money? Your CEO any of your companies is laughing it up, trust me! Shoemakers are not rich people....that's for sure....

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

Well said, Justin.  And let's not overlook the small detail that G&G make their shoes in England, where the minimum wage for an adult is around $10, and where they have to follow strict health and safety procedures, give paid sick leave, and having a maximum working week of 48 hours.  Whereas Meermin make their shoes in China, in conditions about which it would be unfair to speculate, yet one can safely assume are nowhere near the above: even when enforced, the minimum wage in China is as low as $1 per hour.  Then add in the fact that G&G or either high end makers use less than 10% of each hide, whereas (judging by some pics above) there's barely a millimetre of scrotum or sphincter that doesn't make it through the Meermin QC, then frankly it's amazing that the price disparity is so little.

As you said, the rip off is when cheap shoes are sold as "luxury items" based on brand alone - rather like clothing, "fashion" watches etc.  But when like is compared to like i.e. shoes made by shoemakers, it is often true that you get what you pay for.  I think Meermin are often good value.  So are Loake's Indian-made line, or the Samuel Windsor goodyear welted Chinese-made shoes I buy for my teenaged son.  Fantastically cheap.  Just let's not kid ourselves as to why, or that all things are ever equal.  I'm sure there's a sweet spot where quality and workmanship balance with slightly lower costs: Carmina? Vass?  But I doubt that true bargain point is as high up as G&G, or as low as Meermin.

Well put both of you! One thing I would like to comment though, and it's the two high lighted parts above, regarding luxury brands ripping people of by having them to pay just for the name.

While I believe that the substance is correct, people pay for brand name, the conclusion is wrong, that they rip people off. They don't. They have put and still out shit loads of money on marketing, advertising, PR, and so on to build up a brand name, a reputation and a feel for their brand, which is what people buying Gucci or Prada are after. Then it is worth the money for them. If they hadn't placed big sums of money during years and years to build up their brand and reputation, they wouldn't be able to sell their stuff for the amount they do.

You have to keep things apart. When it comes to Gaziano & Girling you pay the company less for marketing and brand management and more for the product, when you buy Gucci you pay more for the marketing aspects and less for the product, although the sum for both products might still be the same. It's different things, and people who are buying the two want different things. No one is ripped of. The guy proudly wearing his shiny Guccis wouldn't get anything out of wearing a pair of G&G, they wouldn't mean anything to him. In fact: they would have made him feel ripped of.
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Some update on the new chiseled last; here are the pics. Would be further refined so watch this space =)












Now we're talking! It looks like they have widened the ball area substantially since the last pics, right? Looks much better to me now, both in how they supposedly will fit and appearance. Nice!
post #7844 of 11528
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

If I understand correctly, DC Lewis make their cheaper line in Vietnam, and their higher one in Taiwan, and the shoes are completely finished in these countries.  Meermin have their shoes clicked, closed, lasted and (hand)welted in China, before machining the soles on and finishing back in Malorca. This last part is important because it makes the shoes "made in Spain" instead of "made in China", for marketing purposes.

I've never tried DC Lewis - any thoughts?
I thought they were made in Laos but that may have changed. I have one pair from when they were called Distinctive footwear (pre fiddleback waist) and the quality is really good. Not hand lasted or welted tho afaik
post #7845 of 11528

J.I: I see what you mean, and if I like some Prada shoes and am happy with the price, then why not?  But what gets me is the dishonesty sometimes: Ferragamo, for example, may or may not be overpriced for their (decent) Tramezza range.  Certainly for their rather ordinary "Lavorazione Originale" (mid) range.  But if there's something you love, or a special deal, I get it.  What offends me is the "Studio" range of glued-together crap that seems designed solely to kid customers into thinking they're buying "brand name quality", with a price that no longer bears any relation to the quality, nor a quality that bears any resemblance to a reputable branded product.

 

Oz: I think you're right; was trying to remember if it was Laos or Vietnam.  Somewhere way cheap anyway!  But I've never heard anything bad about the shoes.

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