Meermin Mallorca Shoes

lychyrychy · Dec 14, 2012

Frank the sheep said:
For me it´s ok to pay 100% up front. It´s the same amount of money so i rather take care of it right away.

Cash flow !!!

lychyrychy · Dec 14, 2012

prozach1576 said:
The PDF someone posted in this thread recently with the options/terms on the MTO program says that payment is half up front and half when the shoes are ready.

Nice find!

chogall · Dec 14, 2012

prozach1576 said:
The PDF someone posted in this thread recently with the options/terms on the MTO program says that payment is half up front and half when the shoes are ready.

I posted that. But, prior to receiving that PDF which dated in August, Meermin asked for 100% up front for my MTO orders in late May with specialized pattern. Everything went perfectly fine for my order and Pepe is very helpful along the way. But I am not a high maintenance client and not a financially capable

UnnamedPlayer said:
I'd be willing, not happy, to pay 50% upfront and the rest when the shoe is ready.

Isn't that a fairer option?

Eh, if you are not even happy to pay 50% up front, save the makers the trouble and not not consider getting any MTO or bespoke items at all.

Given that Meermin would have to carry significant risks in sourcing Ilcea Radica calf leathers and producing various and potentially odd lasts/sizes in a non-stock specialized pattern, I believe it is acceptable for them to collect 100% up front at a price that's already discounted.

chogall · Dec 14, 2012

terrorsquad said:
I think this only applies to their RTW collection and not MTO. All the MTO's group buys I have handled (Meermin,Vass etc) have requested 100% payment upfront before they even start work on the shoe.

Yup, this is how Meermin operates actually. I think Chogall's answer already explains this.

With regards to this particular MTO group buy, bear in mind that:
a) Meermin will be sourcing the leather specially for this MTO (which Ilcea will need 8 weeks to make); and
b) the number of people participating in the MTO group buy (45) with a long waiting list (20 in case people drop out).

All I know is that for other MTO group buys with other brands, the number of people is only between 6-15 people and they use the same leather they have been using for all their shoes. This is not the case for this MTO .

I also honestly don't think Meermin will take the risk of people pulling out when the shoes are ready as they not only have to pay Ilcea for the leather but also the fact that since this is a MTO, I dont think they will be able to sell the shoes to other people with someone else's initials imprinted in the shoe and on the sole of the shoe.

But this is just my opinion and I stand to be corrected on the facts

Yup,

People really need to realize that
1) Meermin will be responsible to source and stock Ilcea Radica calf
2) Meermin will have to produce a new specialized pattern with details similar to JL Philips II
3) Potentially odd sizes/lasts with custom names/details that's non-stock in nature, with no good outlet such as Tricker's eBay shop or JL/EG semiannual sales.

Zarium · Dec 14, 2012

If you're unhappy to pay 100% up front, just opt out. There are plenty of others who want in.

prozach1576 · Dec 14, 2012

chogall said:
Yup,

People really need to realize that
1) Meermin will be responsible to source and stock Ilcea Radica calf
2) Meermin will have to produce a new specialized pattern with details similar to JL Philips II
3) Potentially odd sizes/lasts with custom names/details that's non-stock in nature, with no good outlet such as Tricker's eBay shop or JL/EG semiannual sales.

Yeah I completely agree that it's reasonable to ask for 100% up front, I was just pointing out what I'd read in that PDF.

enofile · Dec 15, 2012

I just received my Linea Maesto 10165 in black calf from Meermin. The shoes arrived in about a week and they are beautiful. Luisa and Sandro were incredibly helpful and charming. Since I purchased in stock, the shoes cost me around 328 US Dollars. I think that's an amazing bargain for footwear of this quality. Photos will follow once I am done treating and polishing.

Quadcammer · Dec 15, 2012

enofile said:
I just received my Linea Maesto 10165 in black calf from Meermin. The shoes arrived in about a week and they are beautiful. Luisa and Sandro were incredibly helpful and charming. Since I purchased in stock, the shoes cost me around 328 US Dollars. I think that's an amazing bargain for footwear of this quality. Photos will follow once I am done treating and polishing.

just wait till you get the tariff

UnnamedPlayer · Dec 15, 2012

chogall said:
I posted that. But, prior to receiving that PDF which dated in August, Meermin asked for 100% up front for my MTO orders in late May with specialized pattern. Everything went perfectly fine for my order and Pepe is very helpful along the way. But I am not a high maintenance client and not a financially capable

Eh, if you are not even happy to pay 50% up front, save the makers the trouble and not not consider getting any MTO or bespoke items at all.

Given that Meermin would have to carry significant risks in sourcing Ilcea Radica calf leathers and producing various and potentially odd lasts/sizes in a non-stock specialized pattern, I believe it is acceptable for them to collect 100% up front at a price that's already discounted.

True.

I mean they definitely need 13,500 euro up front, to complete 45 pairs of shoes.

****, with that kind of money they will boost Spain's GDP by 5%, and here I was thinking that in these uncertain economic times manufacturers would be chasing
business.

It has worked though, because I will fork out the full amount up front and wait patiently, for over 5 months, for the shoes to be delivered.

stevent · Dec 15, 2012

For the group MTO -
Anybody have both Olfe and Hiro and can say how much slimmer Olfe is? Hiro is about perfect width wise on a 10UK and length is just a tiny bit longer than ideal. Feel Olfe fits the style of shoe much better

Quadcammer said:
just wait till you get the tariff

If you are in the US, it doesn't seem too bad at $20-60 a pair. Still pretty cheap total for a pair of shoes

minervau · Dec 15, 2012

stevent said:
For the group MTO -
Anybody have both Olfe and Hiro and can say how much slimmer Olfe is? Hiro is about perfect width wise on a 10UK and length is just a tiny bit longer than ideal. Feel Olfe fits the style of shoe much better
If you are in the US, it doesn't seem too bad at $20-60 a pair. Still pretty cheap total for a pair of shoes

For classic collection I think it's about $20 a pair in the US. Does it really go up as high as $60? I guess that would be for an MTO or something?

chogall · Dec 15, 2012

UnnamedPlayer said:
True.

I mean they definitely need 13,500 euro up front, to complete 45 pairs of shoes.

****, with that kind of money they will boost Spain's GDP by 5%, and here I was thinking that in these uncertain economic times manufacturers would be chasing
business.

It has worked though, because I will fork out the full amount up front and wait patiently, for over 5 months, for the shoes to be delivered.

I think its time for you to learn the difference between working capital and business risk.

5 months is a short waiting period anyway. Go G&G MTO to test your patience.

stevent said:
If you are in the US, it doesn't seem too bad at $20-60 a pair. Still pretty cheap total for a pair of shoes

It's ~10% + $6.5 FedEx advance fee.

REguy · Dec 16, 2012

Is the general consensus to size up 1/2 from the other lasts to the New Rey (i.e. 9 Hiro --> 9.5 New Rey)?

sicknote · Dec 16, 2012

Today Pepe sent me some more pictures of my MTO. The shoes allready got lasted:
I marked some unprecise stitching. Should it be that way or is this a problem?

bespoken4me · Dec 16, 2012

chogall said:
...

I think its time for you to learn the difference between working capital and business risk.

5 months is a short waiting period anyway. Go G&G MTO to test your patience.

It's ~10% + $6.5 FedEx advance fee.

Chogall is one I have read and respect. I have been on this site since '08 but posted and read regularly since '10. He is right, and proved right on Vass. Only thing I have disagreed with others on is the import levy, tax. EMS is the preferred mailing option, but as previously stated, my purchases and other's who have ordered from Miami, have never been charged- and I know a fed Ex air delivery agent who has said it is simply an arbitrary decision. Bottom line, Miami is an aberration. Quit moaning and build 10% into the purchase

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