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post #6091 of 10171
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Originally Posted by MRMstl View Post

Hey guys, I've learned a lot reading through this thread.  Based on what others have been saying here, it sounds like YMMV is the Meermin motto uhoh.gif .

I am curious what I should expect from the RTW ordering process?  On Sunday night, I picked my size and style from the LM line on the website (102461 navy punch toe, olfe last, size 8.5), added to basket, checked out, and then....never paid anything and was simply told I would be contacted within 30 days with an invoice?  This was Sunday night. Monday I received an automated email saying my order status had changed to "Order received" and then another one to "order initiated."  It's now Thursday and I have not received any further communication, nor paid any money to the company, nor received any invoice/bill.  Is this normal?  If not, at what point should I f/u with the company?  Tempted to just cancel in light of all the recent QC incidents listed here. But...these shoes look beautiful and I would like to give them an honest try before bailing.  

Any insights would be appreciated.  Thanks! 

MRM
They'll invoice you when your shoes are ready to be shipped.
post #6092 of 10171
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

Congratulations!  Pics?  Hope they bring you many years of pleasure!
But this sort of thing drives me as crazy as the imperfections in closing and lasting: for goodness' sake WHY?!  It's made to order, you picked a colour, they put in another one...that's just not justified at all!  Sure, it's inside, it's inherently less important, and to you it's no biggie.  But to someone else, who'd obsessed wtih having all his shoes lined in orange, it's a disaster.  Of course these things happen...oh..we ran out of fuchsia lining, it will take three months to get more and we need to get this order out (!).  If that's it, fine.  Or did they just get it wrong?

BUT they should tell you.  "Hey, ZB, we're terribly sorry but we're out of fuchsia lining - stocking error [that should never happen]and it will take us a while to get more.  Would you like us to finish your shoes in pink or purple or any other of our in-stock colours instead, or shall we wait for the fuchsia?  By the way, the trees are free as a gesture of apology." 

Or something,you'd think.  It doesn't matter to you, that's good.  It should have mattered to them, though.

Will has written about this topic multiple times over the year. All makers of custom goods have these issues.
http://asuitablewardrobe.dynend.com/2010/10/bespoke-takes-effort.html?m=1
http://asuitablewardrobe.dynend.com/2013/04/bespoke-goes-this-way-sometimes.html?m=1

It's just not uncommon. This isnt a good thing, but it's part of the custom process for shoes, for clothes, for furniture, for homes. I've had tailors make things incorrectly. When it matters, I say something and, generally, they make things right. If it's inconsequential to me, I let it pass. C'est la vie.
post #6093 of 10171
There's always this gap in expectations for people who demand perfection or get used to the easy exchange/return process of B&M retail experience.

Not saying Meermin is doing a great job but they didn't have the brand name or resources to bridge that gap.

EG is also notorious for their MTO and Vass did sometimes send out wrong spec shoes.
post #6094 of 10171

Just got my first Meermins: Blue Suede Derbies from the classic range and Black Cordovan Cap-toe Oxfords (semi-mto) from the LM range

By way of some context, on 13 Mar I placed an order for a MTO cap toe cordovan boot. On 19 Mar I added the Cordovan Cap-toes after Pepe advised it would be no problem to modify their normal shell cap-toe to remove the broguing without incurring the normal MTO up-charge.

I made the second 50% payment on 15 May and they Shipped 16 May, arriving in the UK on 23 May (I added the suede derbies on 15 May when pepe advised they were in stock). This puts it about 9 weeks to partially fulfil my order, and pepe's advice was they were on track for mid/late june delivery of the boot (which would be 13 weeks). The boots were ready to be lasted when these shipped



Boot pre-lasting Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

 

All in all, I'm very happy with both shoes so far! The cordovan looks great up close, I would say it's very similar in finish to what Carmina delivers (although I know this is not Horween cordovan unlike Carmina). There's not very much wax from what I can tell and it looks fairly well nourished.

You can definitely tell the difference in finishing details between classic vs LM. Although there are no defects, the derbies did need a clean and a brush. One peculiar thing about the Suede is that the nap is in opposite directions on L vs R shoe, while this makes no aesthetic difference to my eye - if I was paying a lot more (e.g EG) I'd be trying to exchange them.

All that remains now is to break them in! (and eagerly await the arrival of my boots!)
 

 

 

Black Oxford Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 

 

 

This is the closest thing I could find to a blemish on the shoes - the welt join (I understand this is near on inevitable and I'm by no means complaining - just commenting this is the worst I could find, the other welt join is close enough to invisible)
Also a good close up of the shell.

 

 

 

 

Suede Derby Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

The photos make the blue look a little bluer than they a appear to my eye - I'd say they look a fraction 'greyer' but still an exceptionally attractive colour to my mind.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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post #6095 of 10171
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Originally Posted by wombus View Post

Just got my first Meermins: Blue Suede Derbies from the classic range and Black Cordovan Cap-toe Oxfords (semi-mto) from the LM range


By way of some context, on 13 Mar I placed an order for a MTO cap toe cordovan boot. On 19 Mar I added the Cordovan Cap-toes after Pepe advised it would be no problem to modify their normal shell cap-toe to remove the broguing without incurring the normal MTO up-charge.


I made the second 50% payment on 15 May and they Shipped 16 May, arriving in the UK on 23 May (I added the suede derbies on 15 May when pepe advised they were in stock). This puts it about 9 weeks to partially fulfil my order, and pepe's advice was they were on track for mid/late june delivery of the boot (which would be 13 weeks). The boots were ready to be lasted when these shipped


All in all, I'm very happy with both shoes so far! The cordovan looks great up close, I would say it's very similar in finish to what Carmina delivers (although I know this is not Horween cordovan unlike Carmina). There's not very much wax from what I can tell and it looks fairly well nourished.


You can definitely tell the difference in finishing details between classic vs LM. Although there are no defects, the derbies did need a clean and a brush. One peculiar thing about the Suede is that the nap is in opposite directions on L vs R shoe, while this makes no aesthetic difference to my eye - if I was paying a lot more (e.g EG) I'd be trying to exchange them.


All that remains now is to break them in! (and eagerly await the arrival of my boots!)

 

The black cordovan cap toe oxford looks nice! May I know is it modified from model# 101482 which is in Hiro last?
post #6096 of 10171
Cant wait to see how your boots turn out!
post #6097 of 10171
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Originally Posted by griffon_id View Post


The black cordovan cap toe oxford looks nice! May I know is it modified from model# 101482 which is in Hiro last?

 

It's exactly that one! I just wanted a shell cap-toe oxford without broguing, so that's all that was modified... no broguing and the stitching has been moved closer together. (http://www.meermin.es/ficha_articulo.php?idioma=eng&id=4042 linked again for interest)

post #6098 of 10171
Just wondering if change the black cordovan to brown or burgundy cordovan, would that incur MTO up-charge.
post #6099 of 10171
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Originally Posted by griffon_id View Post

Just wondering if change the black cordovan to brown or burgundy cordovan, would that incur MTO up-charge.
I got a colour change without upcharge. Not shell but Norvegesse so worth asking
post #6100 of 10171
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Originally Posted by wombus View Post

Just got my first Meermins: Blue Suede Derbies from the classic range and Black Cordovan Cap-toe Oxfords (semi-mto) from the LM range



As someone who posted a req way back for Black Shell pics+info, thanks so much for sharing (plus heads-up PM! fistbump.gif)

Geez, you've only joined since Jan'13 w/21 posts and you're already doing semi-MTO orders for shell from a niche shoe maker? Unless you're a sock puppet, you are way ahead of the "usual" StyleForum evolution curve - bravo!
post #6101 of 10171
Ok guys, here is the last for the hatchgrain MTO. According to Pepe, its an E width. Just wanted some feedback on this last. Pepe will be making a sample of the hatchgrain shoe next week and I'll post some pics of it





Edited by terrorsquad - 5/24/13 at 8:53am
post #6102 of 10171
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Originally Posted by zbromer View Post

It's just not uncommon. This isnt a good thing, but it's part of the custom process for shoes, for clothes, for furniture, for homes. I've had tailors make things incorrectly. When it matters, I say something and, generally, they make things right. If it's inconsequential to me, I let it pass. C'est la vie.

 

Bespoke is different.  Fits taking a long time to get right etc., sometimes it takes a lot of adjustment, and sometimes it's just never going to be right.  I get that.  And with MTO or even RTW, there are going to be tiny blemishes and mistakes here and there.  But if you have a piece of paper on it that says "make this in blue" and you make it in red, without a word to the customer, that's at best sloppy, and at worst, contemptuous to the people who make your living.

 

Anyway, sorry to put a downer - I'm glad it wasn't a big deal for you and hope your shoes are great!  Still want pics! :)

post #6103 of 10171
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Originally Posted by chogall View Post

That said, some of the issues are definitely overblown. Say, misaligned toe medallion, which runs rampant for EG, or say leather clicking, which runs rampant at C&J. I know people do expect perfection but then for all RTW or even for bespoke, perfection is only a goal but not reality.
I agree -- I've seen a few posts earlier here where I thought people may expect too much. Considering the price point and the fact some of the process is done by hand, in no way do I expect perfect shoes. That would be naive.

In my case, I was quite unsure of what to make of it; especially since this is was my 3rd pair of proper leather shoes with brouging, giving me a pretty weak basis for comparing. I can't see any off center brouging on my two pairs from Loake though, but they were about $150 more than the Meermin's. In hindsight I see that I should've been clearer in my posts - I was looking for some input on whether this is an acceptable amount of imperfection, and not necessarily claiming that the welt was too uneven or the brouging off centered by too much.
post #6104 of 10171
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Originally Posted by terrorsquad View Post

Ok guys, here is the last for the hatchgrain MTO. According to Pepe, its an E width. Just wanted some feedback on this last. Pepe will be making a sample of the hatchgrain shoe next week and I'll post some pics of it

 

That last looks sweet!

post #6105 of 10171
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Originally Posted by terrorsquad View Post

Ok guys, here is the last for the hatchgrain MTO. According to Pepe, its an E width. Just wanted some feedback on this last. Pepe will be making a sample of the hatchgrain shoe next week and I'll post some pics of it




 

I think you've done a great job so far! I don't have the imagination to turn a last into a shoe shape so I'm looking forward to seeing how the leather wraps around the last.

but not too pointed, not too broad and the chisel looks great - perhaps a fraction square at the toes (if I had to criticise in any way) but as I said - Looking forward to seeing how the leather responds.

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