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post #4336 of 11388
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

 

I'm sorry, I didn't want to come across as "trashing" Meermin - not at all.  I like what they do, I like that they also do MTO, and I just like that they exist.  We can debate and discuss the relative merits of different brands but it doesn't matter - at the moment, you and I both still want to buy Meermin shoes.

 

I'm just saying that they have competition, especially at their LM price point, and as choices get wider, the customer experience can cost.  They need to stop for breath, even if that means freezing new orders for a couple of weeks, and get a simple off-the-shelf e-retail and stock control system - just like some of their equally small competitors have done.  That would make their lives easier, as well as minimising the risk that their customers will cheat on them with a pretty fiddleback Frenchie (other nationalities are available).

I can't argue with a word of this.  You're absolutely right on all counts, especially the idea of Meermin freezing orders until they can get a handle on what they have.  Let's hope they listen.

post #4337 of 11388
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Originally Posted by newtoshoes View Post

Yes, I'm working with Sandro. I am sure that they are really trying hard, but the current waiting times (responses, production, delivery) are just not acceptable. It is now 2 months that I have not been able to wear my shoes.

 

Regarding the quality, they definitely have a good value for the money. However, you have at least a few good alternatives at about the same price and quality range here in Germany that also have shown up in recent years. I'm afraid the current situation may keep a lot of customers from ordering Meermin shoes.

I'm expecting to wait at least two months for the rest of my orders as well so I don't know that there's much to be done there.  As much as I love the one pair of shoes they've sent me, and they will be hard pressed to destroy the good will created in rushing delivery at such a high cost, they need to do something about delivery times. 

 

I think much more than the two month or longer turn around time, it's the fact that they still claim that they can produce and deliver the shoes in 30 days that is most frustrating for customers.  I've been experiencing this quite a bit with small shops lately.  I have a shirt on order from an online tailor that I found on this site.  It should have been completed over a week ago but has still not been sent.  When I inquired as to when it would be shipped the first time, I was told I would receive an email that never came.  When I asked in a PM on SF why I had heard nothing, I was promised it would go out today, but it doesn't seem to have happened and there's been no communication from the maker.  If the company had merely said, "we're going to have our shirts produced in three weeks.  Sorry for the inconvenience." I would have been fine.  Instead they still offer make them in three days on their site and haven't bothered to change this even though the information is patently false.  Like Meermin's 30 day promise, this is just frustrating.  At least Meermin made up for things by working with me to make sure I had at least one pair of shoes before an important trip.  The shirt company doesn't seem to be too concerned over their broken promises.

 

I would say to every small business that makes time guarantees, either stand by your word or change your promised turn around.  Don't give customers false expectations that you know you aren't able to meet.

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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


Nearly double the cost you say?

LM is 260eu, this is 325

http://www.carmina.telemaco.es/articulo.asp?idarticulo=3640213

Further, what are you basing your opinion of SL on? I've seen a few of their products and they are quite nice. The finishing is as nice or nicer than LM and the fiddleback waists are awesome.
this obsession with gemming failure is totally ridiculous in my mind. I have not seen any evidence that goodyear welted shoes are in danger of imminent failure due to being gemmed. Is handwelting better? Sure. Is it almost entirely academic? Yes.

I have to agree that the very lowest priced Carminas can sometimes come down to only 65eu more than the hand-welted Meermins.  Yet the majority of Carmina's product in is the 400-500eu + range.  However, you dismiss the features that make one product more valuable while exagerating the benefits of its competitor (i.e. praising the aesthetics of a fiddleback waist that isn't seen by almost anyone over the proved quality benefits of hand-welting).  So yes, if we were to use such a cost/benefit analysis, Carminas would be the better value than Meermin.  All we have to do is choose Carmina's lowest priced models, fall in love with a rarely seen aesthetic feature, and arbitrarily decide that hand-welting doesn't create a better quality shoe.

 

These are not academic points. They go to the core of what makes one brand a better value than another.

post #4339 of 11388
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Originally Posted by terrorsquad View Post

Good news for the group MTO; Pepe just informed me that the museum calf has just arrived from Ilcea.He will send me some pics soon that I will share with all of you smile.gif

Sweet!

Just wanted to check if you know if Meermin does boots apart from the chukkas we can see in their online store. I would love to do a group MTO for a cordovan boot (preferably balmoral).
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Has anyone in the US got any Meermins? Where did you get them if so? (Online)

post #4341 of 11388
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Originally Posted by mrjester View Post

Has anyone in the US got any Meermins? Where did you get them if so? (Online)

Plenty of Americans have ordered Meermin as you can see above in the thread. But they have all ordered through Meermin's web shop. To my knowledge, Meermin's only retail shops so far are in Spain.
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Originally Posted by kcox68 View Post

I have to agree that the very lowest priced Carminas can sometimes come down to only 65eu more than the hand-welted Meermins.  Yet the majority of Carmina's product in is the 400-500eu + range.  However, you dismiss the features that make one product more valuable while exagerating the benefits of its competitor (i.e. praising the aesthetics of a fiddleback waist that isn't seen by almost anyone over the proved quality benefits of hand-welting).  So yes, if we were to use such a cost/benefit analysis, Carminas would be the better value than Meermin.  All we have to do is choose Carmina's lowest priced models, fall in love with a rarely seen aesthetic feature, and arbitrarily decide that hand-welting doesn't create a better quality shoe.

 

These are not academic points. They go to the core of what makes one brand a better value than another.

 

Do you own shoes from both Meermin and Carmina?  You have some strong opinions that run contrary to the prevalent opinion on both makers, so curious if your opinion is based on actual experience or simply reading threads?

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Originally Posted by p.henrik View Post


Plenty of Americans have ordered Meermin as you can see above in the thread. But they have all ordered through Meermin's web shop. To my knowledge, Meermin's only retail shops so far are in Spain.

Thanks P. Wasn't actually sure who was american and who wasn't. I've got some Carminas so maybe I'll try out Meermin.

 

Can anyone give me a rundown on what this means?..

 

This style is currently being produced with Full Norvegesse 360º construction, and NOT with partial norvegesse and wooden pegged waist

 

 I'm not sure what Norvegesse construction is.

post #4344 of 11388
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Originally Posted by mrjester View Post

Thanks P. Wasn't actually sure who was american and who wasn't. I've got some Carminas so maybe I'll try out Meermin.

 

Can anyone give me a rundown on what this means?..

 

This style is currently being produced with Full Norvegesse 360º construction, and NOT with partial norvegesse and wooden pegged waist

 

 I'm not sure what Norvegesse construction is.

The ornate stitch which is used I believe to attach the welt to both the upper and the insole runs all the way around the shoe instead of ending where the heel begins. At least they're telling you they do this now instead of just sending the shoes with it done!

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Originally Posted by New Shoes1 View Post

 

Do you own shoes from both Meermin and Carmina?  You have some strong opinions that run contrary to the prevalent opinion on both makers, so curious if your opinion is based on actual experience or simply reading threads?

I don't own any Carminas but have tried them on and seen them in the wild.  To be clear, I know that Meermin is not the shoe that Carmina is.  That wasn't the point.  What I'm saying is that other than a few models, Carminas are much, much more expensive than Meermins and that needs to be considered, which the person I responded to did not do.

 

The flaw in my argument was that I meant to say that the SL shoes are not of the same quality as the LM line.  I conflated SL and Carmina which made it sound as though I was suggesting that Meermin is something better than it is.  That was definitely my fault and I apologize for the confusion.

post #4346 of 11388
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Originally Posted by kcox68 View Post

I don't own any Carminas but have tried them on and seen them in the wild.  To be clear, I know that Meermin is not the shoe that Carmina is.  That wasn't the point.  What I'm saying is that other than a few models, Carminas are much, much more expensive than Meermins and that needs to be considered, which the person I responded to did not do.

 

The flaw in my argument was that I meant to say that the SL shoes are not of the same quality as the LM line.  I conflated SL and Carmina which made it sound as though I was suggesting that Meermin is something better than it is.  That was definitely my fault and I apologize for the confusion.

When making a price comparison I think it should also be considered that Meermin trees are half the price of Carmina's (if not free with MTO) and Carmina have considerably higher shipping charges. All adds up!

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Originally Posted by OzzyJones View Post

When making a price comparison I think it should also be considered that Meermin trees are half the price of Carmina's (if not free with MTO) and Carmina have considerably higher shipping charges. All adds up!

I would strongly advise against Meermin trees. I got some with my New Ray Dub Monks and the fit is awful. That said, I have ordered the lasted trees with the group MTO.

post #4348 of 11388
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Originally Posted by tomrakewell View Post

I would strongly advise against Meermin trees. I got some with my New Ray Dub Monks and the fit is awful. That said, I have ordered the lasted trees with the group MTO.

The only problem I have with the trees in my Reys are they're slightly too short, other than that they seem to fit well

post #4349 of 11388
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Originally Posted by OzzyJones View Post

The only problem I have with the trees in my Reys are they're slightly too short, other than that they seem to fit well

What I meant is that they simply don't fill the shoe very well, hence do not have the intended effect. Maybe this is due to my shoes being a half size and trees only coming in full sizes?!

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Originally Posted by tomrakewell View Post

What I meant is that they simply don't fill the shoe very well, hence do not have the intended effect. Maybe this is due to my shoes being a half size and trees only coming in full sizes?!

Maybe? Tho I suppose being too short is not great as I don't get a lot of tension and I did use Bexley trees to stretch the buggers!!

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