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post #4306 of 11796

+1

 

But I'd always avoid sizing up to fit into a narrower last, if possible: if you do that, it might look elegant somehow to have a long, thin shoe, but it's likely that the "break" in the toe will be in the wrong place and be uncomfortable.  It also looks odd.

 

If 10E US is comfortable (I'm the same size in Allen Edmonds, don't have any SF Tramezza), then get a more comfortable last in the right size: I can see where you're coming from in wanting a Linea Maestro shoe without paying the MTO charge. But as the difference is about $100 with the VAT removed to get a last that is more likely to be comfortable - and the colour choices too - then it seems like a false economy to go with the generic New Rey in a bigger size that might end up an instrument of torture.

post #4307 of 11796

ARe there sometimes sales on Meermin shoes? What would be the ideal time of the year to buy them? Thx!

post #4308 of 11796
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Originally Posted by XFi1382 View Post

ARe there sometimes sales on Meermin shoes? What would be the ideal time of the year to buy them? Thx!

At these prices and their current troubles keeping up with production, I'd be very surprised to see any sales events.  Why attempt to sell more product at a lower price when you can't get out the orders you have at full retail?

 

Based on the quality of materials, great designs and their customer service, I'd consider every day a sale as I wouldn't doubt they raise prices very soon.

post #4309 of 11796
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

+1

But I'd always avoid sizing up to fit into a narrower last, if possible: if you do that, it might look elegant somehow to have a long, thin shoe, but it's likely that the "break" in the toe will be in the wrong place and be uncomfortable.  It also looks odd.

If 10E US is comfortable (I'm the same size in Allen Edmonds, don't have any SF Tramezza), then get a more comfortable last in the right size: I can see where you're coming from in wanting a Linea Maestro shoe without paying the MTO charge. But as the difference is about $100 with the VAT removed to get a last that is more likely to be comfortable - and the colour choices too - then it seems like a false economy to go with the generic New Rey in a bigger size that might end up an instrument of torture.

Great advice
post #4310 of 11796
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Originally Posted by XFi1382 View Post

ARe there sometimes sales on Meermin shoes? What would be the ideal time of the year to buy them? Thx!

The best time to buy? I would advise you to order immediately if you plan to wear them this year...

post #4311 of 11796
No sales, at least at Madrid shop.
post #4312 of 11796
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Originally Posted by newtoshoes View Post

The best time to buy? I would advise you to order immediately if you plan to wear them this year...

yeah tell me about it, been waiting my ones from 3rd january!!!!

 

anyhow doesnt' get any better than meermin price\quality wise so take those 160 euro and invest in great shoes :) 

post #4313 of 11796
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Originally Posted by totolino85 View Post

yeah tell me about it, been waiting my ones from 3rd january!!!!

 

anyhow doesnt' get any better than meermin price\quality wise so take those 160 euro and invest in great shoes :) 


Meermin was aware that I would (have to) return my shoes on December 19. The exchange pair still hasn't been shipped...

post #4314 of 11796
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Meermin was aware that I would (have to) return my shoes on December 19. The exchange pair still hasn't been shipped...

Are you working with anyone specifically?  If not, I'd suggest emailing them to see what's up.  I absolutely agree that the time it takes to actually get shoes from them is too long but I think its part of the trade-off to get shoes of this quality at such a low price.  On the other hand, warranty replacements need to cut to the front of the line over new orders.

 

On a somewhat unrelated note, I don't know what Meermin's finances are like but I suspect that even with a large portion of the labor coming from China, the costs of materials, production facilities, shipping, finishing in Spain, etc... can't be allowing for a large profit point per shoe.  Even so, they don't bill until they're ready to ship which means they have to asorbe all the costs up front.  I just don't know if this is a sustainable business model.  Especially after receiving my first pair of shoes from them and seeing exactly what they're putting into these things, I believe they could easily up their prices by $75-100US and still have more orders than they could reasonably meet.  I guess the upshot of all this is that I'm willing to bet that Meermin either raises prices or closes shop within a year or two.  I hope they merely raise prices which might allow for expanded production facilities but we'll see.

 

And then there's the distinct possiblility that I'm wrong...

post #4315 of 11796
Ran across Meermin on the boards a year ago, but didn't really fit my aesthetic at the time.

As I'm moving into a more professional wardrobe now, an order in the near future looks inevitable. Double monks look very appealing.
post #4316 of 11796

Anyone have pictures of the ceuro shell cordovan after a good amount of wear? I'm trying to decide on a color for MTO split toes.

post #4317 of 11796

I hope Meermin doesn't attempt a price increase until they get their quality control, and delivery time perfected. Haven't ordered from them yet, but if they're not taking money up front, then they've probably decided against it since they're delivery time sounds pretty unpredictable at the moment. Especially if it's taking them over a month to produce their default shoes, excluding MTO shoes since those take longer to have extra care given. 

post #4318 of 11796

I'd say their pricing is about right - other Chinese or Indian-made shoes are cheaper; I bought some for my son that are quite respectable Goodyear-welted shoes, for under 50 Euros recently (btw I wasn't just being stingy, he's 14, growing like a weed and needs new clothes about every six weeks right now!).  So where they have to set themselves apart is in quality, finishing and service.  

 

On the first point, the reports are pretty good - perception being that the constituent parts are as good as some higher-priced shoes (although some problems with their cheap Argentinian cordovan; maybe the clue is in the name - wasn't "Rocinante" Don Quixote's decrepit fleabag horse?!).  On the second point, reports in this thread vary.  And on the third, it seems the intention to be helpful is always there, but the management is poor:  honestly, it's not hard to know whether something is in stock or not.  They're not the only ones who do this - even G&G's new online store has the same problem of not being linked to a stock record.  But either way, once you've ordered, you should be able to receive a prompt and accurate delivery date, or the option to leave it.

 

Once you get into "Linea Maestro" and the price is higher, then you're more expensive than, say, most  Barkers or Loakes, and on a par with, say, Cheaney, or discounted Church, C&J etc.  So  the quality and consistency better be good.  The leather and the finishing at this level might be, but then once you're here, you really want to be able to just see what's available now and buy your damn shoes!  Any of the other brands mentioned are with you in three days from more etailers, anywhere in the world, for $30 shipping or thereabouts.  So I do think they need to talk to the bank, start holding a lot more stock, and give their online business the same treatment as they do to their shop.

 

If I may, a quick comparison: Septieme Largeur has a similar distinction of good leathers and some high-end features (channeled stitching, fiddleback waists) as Meermin's Linea Maestro range.  They are slightly cheaper thasn Linea Maestro, and also have clearance items at half price *(visit NOW if you're a UK 10.5-11!).  If you go to their website, you will only be able to order what is actually in stock in your size.  Their only downside perhaps is that they don't do MTO.  But as a model in how to sell good shoes for not very much money, it might be worth Meermin taking a look at for an example.

 

At the end of the day, we all fall in love with certain shoe brands, and evangelise about how fabulous our new bargain "discovery" is.  Meermin, Carmina, Vass, Ed et Al, whoever, when we see something that looks like a bargain we want it.  But with so many good brands available online, they need to watch the customer service and how they manage the expectations of their customers.  Vass make all their stuff MTO anyway so you know where you stand - and their turnaround is very fast for MTO anyway.  Some small makers only take orders by email, which is fine, but you need a straight answer as to whether they have what you want to order before they take your money.  And really, if the likes of Septieme Largeur or Ed et Al can offer the same "real" online store that only sells you what is there to sell, then there's no excuse for Meermin or Carmina.  And to be fair, even less excuse for G&G!

post #4319 of 11796
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

I'd say their pricing is about right - other Chinese or Indian-made shoes are cheaper; I bought some for my son that are quite respectable Goodyear-welted shoes, for under 50 Euros recently (btw I wasn't just being stingy, he's 14, growing like a weed and needs new clothes about every six weeks right now!).  So where they have to set themselves apart is in quality, finishing and service.  

 

On the first point, the reports are pretty good - perception being that the constituent parts are as good as some higher-priced shoes (although some problems with their cheap Argentinian cordovan; maybe the clue is in the name - wasn't "Rocinante" Don Quixote's decrepit fleabag horse?!).  On the second point, reports in this thread vary.  And on the third, it seems the intention to be helpful is always there, but the management is poor:  honestly, it's not hard to know whether something is in stock or not.  They're not the only ones who do this - even G&G's new online store has the same problem of not being linked to a stock record.  But either way, once you've ordered, you should be able to receive a prompt and accurate delivery date, or the option to leave it.

 

Once you get into "Linea Maestro" and the price is higher, then you're more expensive than, say, most  Barkers or Loakes, and on a par with, say, Cheaney, or discounted Church, C&J etc.  So  the quality and consistency better be good.  The leather and the finishing at this level might be, but then once you're here, you really want to be able to just see what's available now and buy your damn shoes!  Any of the other brands mentioned are with you in three days from more etailers, anywhere in the world, for $30 shipping or thereabouts.  So I do think they need to talk to the bank, start holding a lot more stock, and give their online business the same treatment as they do to their shop.

 

If I may, a quick comparison: Septieme Largeur has a similar distinction of good leathers and some high-end features (channeled stitching, fiddleback waists) as Meermin's Linea Maestro range.  They are slightly cheaper thasn Linea Maestro, and also have clearance items at half price *(visit NOW if you're a UK 10.5-11!).  If you go to their website, you will only be able to order what is actually in stock in your size.  Their only downside perhaps is that they don't do MTO.  But as a model in how to sell good shoes for not very much money, it might be worth Meermin taking a look at for an example.

 

At the end of the day, we all fall in love with certain shoe brands, and evangelise about how fabulous our new bargain "discovery" is.  Meermin, Carmina, Vass, Ed et Al, whoever, when we see something that looks like a bargain we want it.  But with so many good brands available online, they need to watch the customer service and how they manage the expectations of their customers.  Vass make all their stuff MTO anyway so you know where you stand - and their turnaround is very fast for MTO anyway.  Some small makers only take orders by email, which is fine, but you need a straight answer as to whether they have what you want to order before they take your money.  And really, if the likes of Septieme Largeur or Ed et Al can offer the same "real" online store that only sells you what is there to sell, then there's no excuse for Meermin or Carmina.  And to be fair, even less excuse for G&G!

You make a good point about delivery - one I've made as well, but I have to disagree that there are other manufacturers putting out the product Meermin is (when they finally put out the product).  You seem to prove this yourself by suggesting that the three factors for a great shoe are "quality, finishing and service," then always falling back to complaints about delivery.  Once again, I agree with that assessment however, you then make favorable comparisons that I don't believe are there.  Vass, Church, Carmina, etc... either do not sell their shoes at a price even remotely close to Meermin or produce a product that isn't nearly as good (in my opinion).  For example, Church is both more expensive and often uses corrected leather in their shoes, Carmina is nearly double the cost for a slightly better product, and Septieme Largeur (while a very nice shoe) doesn't compare with Meermin when using like measures as SL's line is closer to the Classic Collection which lists at €85 less.  The only factors making Meermin unattractive to so many (and rightly so) are delivery time and quality control.  And as these are the two points I originally brought up as reasons to think they could raise their prices, I think I can still stand by my original post.

 

Yes, we all have favorite brands and become enamoured with them.  I certainly don't disagree that I'm very much into Meermin's shoes at this time.  However, the opposite also holds true and there will always be someone out there looking to trash another brand in a misguided effort to push their own favorite.  It all evens out.  Perhaps we should just agree that Meemin, whether each of us likes the company or not, needs to get a handle on both delivery times and quality control and one way to do that is through an influx of cash which could be borrowed from the banks (not sure how generous Spanish banks are at the moment) or by raising prices.

post #4320 of 11796
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Originally Posted by kcox68 View Post

Are you working with anyone specifically?  If not, I'd suggest emailing them to see what's up.  I absolutely agree that the time it takes to actually get shoes from them is too long but I think its part of the trade-off to get shoes of this quality at such a low price.  On the other hand, warranty replacements need to cut to the front of the line over new orders.

 

On a somewhat unrelated note, I don't know what Meermin's finances are like but I suspect that even with a large portion of the labor coming from China, the costs of materials, production facilities, shipping, finishing in Spain, etc... can't be allowing for a large profit point per shoe.  Even so, they don't bill until they're ready to ship which means they have to asorbe all the costs up front.  I just don't know if this is a sustainable business model.  Especially after receiving my first pair of shoes from them and seeing exactly what they're putting into these things, I believe they could easily up their prices by $75-100US and still have more orders than they could reasonably meet.  I guess the upshot of all this is that I'm willing to bet that Meermin either raises prices or closes shop within a year or two.  I hope they merely raise prices which might allow for expanded production facilities but we'll see.

 

And then there's the distinct possiblility that I'm wrong...

in my opinion would be enough to make customers pay upfront as you make the order , I believe they already produce in economic lots if not it would not make sence that all of us waiting for shoes since long time are size 9 or a particular model. As of the margin per shoes pair that's subjective to any company (I mean I could make pizzas and be happy to make 1 euro a pizza or 4 ,but that's entirely up to me). The problem they are currently facing is in my opinion that customes dimands more and more models\leathers\colours and that's a bigger problem than the price. Anyway let's hope they don't raise prices!

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