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post #1906 of 11835
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Originally Posted by SpooPoker View Post

Just saw these on tumblr and I think they may be it.
New Rey last... quick size check
8.5 Carmina simpson
8.5 Lobb 7000
9E GG
US 9.5 in everything
9 in New Rey, right?

 

I literally just opened a package containing those shoes a half hour ago. Kind of wish I'd known to go up half a size, though, as there's a massive (1.5") gap in the lacing. For what it's worth I'm a 7 in 348 and ordered a 7 in these as well.

 

That said, I think the gap is primarily due to my high instep, because otherwise the shoes seem to fit perfectly -- quite snug, a little uncomfortable and difficult to get into, but so were my Lowndes when I first wore them. Is it worth hoping that the gap will shrink in time? Do shoes stretch enough to make any difference there? Sadly, I can't return them as I had flush metal toe-taps installed (by Meermin) ... I guess it's hope & pray, or give someone a fantastic bargain.

 

[edit: actually, I should point out that I got the brown suede version ... everything else looks identical though, I guess they only just added the black shoe to the store.


Edited by violin spiders - 8/16/12 at 5:48am
post #1907 of 11835
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Originally Posted by Romp View Post

My olfe MTO's should arrive in the post today/tomorrow for comparsison

Your Adelaides look great. I'm looking forward to your comparison of the Hiro and Olfe lasts.
post #1908 of 11835
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Originally Posted by Aieyric View Post

Maybe a bit more roomy but mostly the feel the same as the olfie.

Just placed my order with Sandro for LWB in light brown calf (Rui last). Shipping early next week.
Edited by Steel28 - 8/16/12 at 7:37am
post #1909 of 11835
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Originally Posted by JBMarce21 View Post

Gents, For those of you who have bought the RTW linea maestro line, what is the consensus in terms of quality compared to carmina and to crockett & jones, two of the favorites here on SF? Through reading these posts, I have been seeing a mixed bag; some say just below, others on par, but everyone is raving about the value for the cost of the shoes. 

As far as I can tell, the construction is exactly as good. Some have been saying the leather not quite at the same level, but those RTW linea maestros right next to the C&J Lowndes look pretty damn close. I honestly feel like if they were more expensive, there would be no question!

Now there is no question about the value here, that they are an amazing deal. The only follow up question is how good of a deal are we talking, how much value?
Are we getting $500, $600 shoes for $260? I have no doubt that they are of better quality (not to mention look) than Allen Edmonds, and they are less expensive, and those are also SF approved. 

So if you would put your two cents in for comparison... and again, this is only an opinion... but with 1 being nowhere near as good as carmina/c&j benchgrade, and 10 being as good as either of those, please give me your thoughts!

I have their classic line and would rank it below AE in quality. Not sure about LM, but from what i've seen, consistency is still a bit lacking.
post #1910 of 11835
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer View Post


I have their classic line and would rank it below AE in quality. Not sure about LM, but from what I've seen, consistency is still a bit lacking.

LM (shown below) construction is def superior to AE. The styling is also far superior (nothing wrong with AE, I think we can all agree it's conservative and can be "boring"). LM quality is maybe 95% of Carmina (Carmina finishing is def better).

 

Meermin mainline is on par with AE, imo. Construction is right there, maybe 98% of what AE offers because of random inconsistencies. Bottom line, for the money, Meermin is the better value, IMO. Factor in styling and it's not close, IMO.

 


Edited by Frankie22 - 8/16/12 at 9:52am
post #1911 of 11835
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Originally Posted by Frankie22 View Post

LM (shown below) construction is def superior to AE. The styling is also far superior (nothing wrong with AE, I think we can all agree it's conservative and can be "boring"). LM quality is maybe 95% of Carmina (Carmina finishing is def better).

 

Meermin mainline is on par with AE, imo. Construction is right there, maybe 98% of what AE offers because of random inconsistencies. Bottom line, for the money, Meermin is the better value, IMO. Factor in styling and it's not close, IMO.

 

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Wow, the color is amazing!. Is this MTO or is it this model http://www.meermin.es/ficha_articulo.php?id=1967? The color looks different.

post #1912 of 11835
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Originally Posted by JBMarce21 View Post

Gents, For those of you who have bought the RTW linea maestro line, what is the consensus in terms of quality compared to carmina and to crockett & jones, two of the favorites here on SF? Through reading these posts, I have been seeing a mixed bag; some say just below, others on par, but everyone is raving about the value for the cost of the shoes. 

As far as I can tell, the construction is exactly as good. Some have been saying the leather not quite at the same level, but those RTW linea maestros right next to the C&J Lowndes look pretty damn close. I honestly feel like if they were more expensive, there would be no question!

Now there is no question about the value here, that they are an amazing deal. The only follow up question is how good of a deal are we talking, how much value?
Are we getting $500, $600 shoes for $260? I have no doubt that they are of better quality (not to mention look) than Allen Edmonds, and they are less expensive, and those are also SF approved. 

So if you would put your two cents in for comparison... and again, this is only an opinion... but with 1 being nowhere near as good as carmina/c&j benchgrade, and 10 being as good as either of those, please give me your thoughts!

I really encourage members to stop asking for these kind of comparisons, or create bizarre "hierarchy" lists for shoes and suits.

The difference between a pair of dress shoes that retail for $75 and ones that retail for $300 is significant. The difference between a pair of $300 and $1,000 shoes is also significant. But the difference between a pair of $300 and $500 shoes may or may not be significant, just as it's hard to tell - objectively speaking - the difference between a pair of $75 shoes and $125, or $1,000 shoes and $1,500. Perhaps there are differences, but if there are, they're small, and often poorly judged by the non-experts who visit this forum (including myself). Members here deal with very, very small sample sizes from any company, and they tend to acquire them over time or in odd ways. Someone buys a pair of new shoes here, another new pair two or three years later. Perhaps some acquire things second-hand in between. These are not meaningful sample sizes to judge from, at least when you're looking to understand such small differences.

Again, I think my MTO Meermins are as good as or better than any pair of shoes I've come across that retails for under $350 or so. They're not better than my Edward Greens or Saint Crispin's. I suspect (though I don't know since I've never handled them) that their RTW Classic line is much better than any pair of shoes that retails for $150. These are a wonderful value, and that's all there really is to say. Whether some odd ball member here takes his $1,500 camera to zoom in on the stitching of his new Meermins, and then pontificates on whether it's as perfect as it could be or how it compares to some other zoomed-in shot he took of his third-hand Crockett and Jones, which he probably bought off eBay, is really not something anyone should pay attention to. Such people most likely have no idea what they're talking about and should be ignored.

I don't know how Meermins compare to Crockett and Jones. The question between those is whether you want something from Crockett and Jones or Meermin. They make different shoes, so it shouldn't matter. If you want the C&J Belgrave on the 337 last, there is only one company that supplies that. If you want Meermin's cap toe on the Hiro last, there's only one company that supplies that. Just figure out which you'd like, and if it's the Crockett and Jones, ignore the price difference. Save up until you can afford it and then purchase it. Both companies make nice shoes.

The extremes for comparisons are easy to make. The fine-grained comparisons between each and every brand, especially once you get towards the middle ground, is near impossible and should not be pursued.

This is just my opinion.
Edited by dieworkwear - 8/16/12 at 5:01pm
post #1913 of 11835
Gahhh,

I'm looking to step up my shoe game and really want pairs of the medium brown leather chukka and the dark brown oxford. Both are the Hiro cast. I'm also hoping to get this "detailing" done (I'm not sure what that's called).


Actually, the more I look at that, I love the lighter brown color as well, but I'm in a pretty conservative office.

I'm super nervous to be spending this amount of money on shoes over the internet due to the sizing. I read through posts by the brave souls that purchased these earlier, but can someone help me figure out what I need to do to hone in on the sizing? The only dress shoe that I've really worn are Bostonians and they were a US10. I usually wear a 10.5US for athletic shoes. I just measured my feet and they are 26cm by 10cm... and I'm looking at charts saying that I should be wearing a US9, so I think I will find a place with a Brannock Device because I must be doing something wrong with my measuring. Assuming that the Bostonian fitting was good, I should be ordering a 9. Any help is much appreciated.
post #1914 of 11835
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post


I really encourage members to stop asking for these kind of comparisons, or create bizarre "hierarchy" lists for shoes and suits.
The difference between a pair of dress shoes that retail for $75 and ones that retail for $300 is significant. The difference between a pair of $300 and $1,000 shoes is also significant. But the difference between a pair of $300 and $500 shoes may or may not be significant, just as it's hard to tell - objectively speaking - the difference between a pair of $75 shoes and $125, or $1,000 shoes and $1,500. Perhaps there are differences, but if there are, they're small, and often poorly judged by the non-experts who visit this forum (including myself). Members here deal with very, very small sample sizes from any company, and they tend to acquire them over time or in odd ways. Someone buys a pair of new shoes here, another new pair two or three years later. Perhaps some acquire things second-hand in between. These are not meaningful sample sizes to judge from, at least when you're looking to understand such small differences.
Again, I think my MTO Meermins are as good as or better than any pair of shoes I've come across that retails for under $350 or so. They're not better than my Edward Greens or Saint Crispin's. I suspect (though I don't know since I've never handled them) that their RTW Classic line is much better than any pair of shoes that retails for $150. These are a wonderful value, and that's all there really is to say. Whether some odd ball member here takes his $1,500 camera to zoom in on the stitching of his new Meermins, and then pontificates on whether it's as perfect as it could be or how it compares to some other zoomed-in shot he took of his third-hand Crockett and Jones, which he probably bought off eBay, is really not something anyone should pay attention to. Such people most likely have no idea what they're talking about and should be ignored.
I don't know how Meermins compare to Crockett and Jones. The question between those is whether you want something from Crockett and Jones or Meermin. They make different shoes, so it shouldn't matter. If you want the C&J Belgrave on the 337 last, there is only one company that supplies that. If you want Meermin's cap toe on the Hiro last, there's only one company that supplies that. Just figure out which you'd like, and if it's the Crockett and Jones, ignore the price difference. Save up until you can afford it and then purchase it. Both companies make nice shoes.
The extremes for comparisons are easy to make. The fine-grained comparisons between each and every brand, especially once you get towards the middle ground, is near impossible and should not be pursued.
This is just my opinion.

 

 

Thanks for that. Valid point, in reality... as you say, it obviously is easy to tell these have excellent value, but I am just trying to find out where best to spend my (limited) money. I have bought only brand new shoes, (although it may have been via eBay here and there) and I am trying to use this forum for discussion and advice (kind of the idea, isn't it?) to best determine which brand new shoes I should be buying now at $X vs. saving up to $2X or $3x.

 

By creating a little discussion, I can then form my own opinion from the experiences of other members (taken with a grain of salt, of course) so I don't waste money as I did over the time before I was a member here.

 

For example, I bought some to boot new york's some time ago for $400 at Saks. After 8 months of regular wear they went on eBay for $100 because they didn't live up to that price point. Absolutely not worth the $. Had I checked out things here, I might have gotten myself a pair of C&J's on plal for the same price and instead be resoling a beautifully broken in pair of quality shoes at this point.

 

Now, I work in commercial real estate so I am walking quite a bit in a full suit and dress shoes. Therefore, I do need a rotation, and I am trying to determine how best to go about it. As far as really quality shoes go, I have 2 pair of C & J's, some ferragamo lavorazione originale's, and I just ordered some MTO meermin's in shell cordovan, so I know those will last and they will be exactly what I want because cordovan is friggin indestructible. My first pair of meermin's as well, classic RTW, is money well spent however, because they look better and will last.

 

4 pair of to boot's and some studio line ferragamo's later however, is a lot of money wasted that could have been put to better use with say 2 pair of C&J's or 4 meermin's. so forgive the "noob" question but I am learning fast where best to spend my $ and it is directly as a result of these forums.

post #1915 of 11835
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I really encourage members to stop asking for these kind of comparisons, or create bizarre "hierarchy" lists for shoes and suits.
The difference between a pair of dress shoes that retail for $75 and ones that retail for $300 is significant. The difference between a pair of $300 and $1,000 shoes is also significant. But the difference between a pair of $300 and $500 shoes may or may not be significant, just as it's hard to tell - objectively speaking - the difference between a pair of $75 shoes and $125, or $1,000 shoes and $1,500. Perhaps there are differences, but if there are, they're small, and often poorly judged by the non-experts who visit this forum (including myself). Members here deal with very, very small sample sizes from any company, and they tend to acquire them over time or in odd ways. Someone buys a pair of new shoes here, another new pair two or three years later. Perhaps some acquire things second-hand in between. These are not meaningful sample sizes to judge from, at least when you're looking to understand such small differences.
Again, I think my MTO Meermins are as good as or better than any pair of shoes I've come across that retails for under $350 or so. They're not better than my Edward Greens or Saint Crispin's. I suspect (though I don't know since I've never handled them) that their RTW Classic line is much better than any pair of shoes that retails for $150. These are a wonderful value, and that's all there really is to say. Whether some odd ball member here takes his $1,500 camera to zoom in on the stitching of his new Meermins, and then pontificates on whether it's as perfect as it could be or how it compares to some other zoomed-in shot he took of his third-hand Crockett and Jones, which he probably bought off eBay, is really not something anyone should pay attention to. Such people most likely have no idea what they're talking about and should be ignored.
I don't know how Meermins compare to Crockett and Jones. The question between those is whether you want something from Crockett and Jones or Meermin. They make different shoes, so it shouldn't matter. If you want the C&J Belgrave on the 337 last, there is only one company that supplies that. If you want Meermin's cap toe on the Hiro last, there's only one company that supplies that. Just figure out which you'd like, and if it's the Crockett and Jones, ignore the price difference. Save up until you can afford it and then purchase it. Both companies make nice shoes.
The extremes for comparisons are easy to make
. The fine-grained comparisons between each and every brand, especially once you get towards the middle ground, is near impossible and should not be pursued.
This is just my opinion.

you hit the nail.

understood, I have interested parties for "operarion paprika" shoes. nice. I have to tell interested parties, that they need some knowledgede to it. muricans tend to fail on it. some pun intended. find out which.
post #1916 of 11835
just arrived home from vacation tonight to find these waiting at my door...



will post more thoughts when I'm not exhausted, but initial impressions:

the suede monks on the Hiro are more comfortable than my lowndes were out of the box
suede seems really nice,
flush toe caps are a worthy add-on

I was pretty fired up after trying the monks on...

moving to the NSTs I took the right shoe out and was very surprised at how great they looked. The cuero shell is a wonderful color. Not as glossy out of the box as Alden/horween, but still, pretty nice.
Put both shoes on to find they fit better than the monks. The Rui is super comfortable. I usually go with a 12D, 11.5 in Barrie, and Jose suggested the 11 (in both monks and NSTs). Very happy with the fit.

I was elated, my leap of faith with blindly ordering two pairs of shoes from a new company seemed to have worked.

smiling, I looked at the left shoe as I was removing it and saw this:


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maybe it was too good to be true after all.
I'm going to contact Meermin and see what happens next...
post #1917 of 11835
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Originally Posted by zazaza View Post

The cuero shell is a wonderful color. Not as glossy out of the box as Alden/horween, but still, pretty nice.

tbh, who wants this painted job?

can't see your pics for reference to aldens. so excuse my ignorance for aldens. thank you.
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post #1919 of 11835
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Originally Posted by JBMarce21 View Post

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Ok these shoes look great. I have a couple of questions.

 

1. How do you determine your size? The only "real" dress shoe I own currently is the AE Park Avenue in 8D which fits well.

2. How would one go about recrafting/resoling/repairing the shoes a couple years down the line in the US?

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