Meermin Mallorca Shoes

NAMOR · May 29, 2012

bah, pepe's @meermin.es email address isnt working either

fritzl · May 29, 2012

Eustace Tilley said:
I have both the Meermin LM and several pairs of EGs. The Meermin's are nice for the price, but not even in the same zip code as the EGs in terms of quality and style,

this is a hard judgement, if i may say.

joiji · May 30, 2012

NAMOR said:
bah, pepe's @meermin.es email address isnt working either

Site seems to be back up, not sure about e-mail. Was in the middle of an order discussion and was wondering why the replies had slowed down.

david3558 · May 30, 2012

Wes Bourne said:
Yes, 9D on the Plaza. Not a particularly wide foot, but relatively low arch as well as instep. If in doubt, measure your feet and compare against the actual last measurements and recommended foot length I posted for UK8 and UK8.5 in the Hiro last. That's what I did and it turned out well.

Interesting, according to your recommended foot sizes and the last sizing - I may be an 8.5UK; strange considering I"m a comfortable 9D on the Plaza (balmoral though, if that makes a difference).

Eustace Tilley · May 30, 2012

fritzl said:
this is a hard judgement, if i may say.

Just an honest one really. I think Meermin shoes are great for the price, and if people are interested they certainly shouldn't hesitate based on quality concerns. That being said, EGs really are in a different league altogether - the construction is tigher all across, the finishing is smoother and the styles / lasts are far more sophisticated. And that should come as no surprise, as EG is 3x the price.

VRaivio · May 30, 2012

Eustace Tilley said:
I have both the Meermin LM and several pairs of EGs. The Meermin's are nice for the price, but not even in the same zip code as the EGs in terms of quality and style,

This is true. EG has a wider range and finer lasts, but they are still machine-made. I always use handwork and its execution as highest signs of quality. We have different markers, ET.

Quadcammer · May 30, 2012

VRaivio said:
This is true. EG has a wider range and finer lasts, but they are still machine-made. I always use handwork and its execution as highest signs of quality. We have different markers, ET.

handwork is not necessarily a sign of quality. I've seen LM meermins. Yes, they are well finished. Are they up to G&G and EG levels of finishing? Hell no.

Look, they build probably the best value $300 shoe out there right now. But to say its superior quality to EG is simply inaccurate.

fritzl · May 30, 2012

Eustace Tilley said:
Just an honest one really. I think Meermin shoes are great for the price, and if people are interested they certainly shouldn't hesitate based on quality concerns. That being said, EGs really are in a different league altogether - the construction is tigher all across, the finishing is smoother

and the styles / lasts are far more sophisticated. And that should come as no surprise, as EG is 3x the price.

well, the few EG's i have handled in person have been the blandest shoes i've ever seen. i'm not planning on getting meermin's either.

i was just curious.

Eustace Tilley · May 30, 2012

VRaivio said:
This is true. EG has a wider range and finer lasts, but they are still machine-made. I always use handwork and its execution as highest signs of quality. We have different markers, ET.

On the Q of handwork, EGs are hand-lasted and goodyear-welted as well. Besides, as Quadcammer accurately put it, handwork is no guarantor of quality.

pabloj · May 30, 2012

Eustace Tilley said:
On the Q of handwork, EGs are hand-lasted and goodyear-welted as well. Besides, as Quadcammer accurately put it, handwork is no guarantor of quality.

By hand lasted you mean that the lasting machine is hand actuated? Goodyear welted proerly means welted with a Goodyear machine, Meermin linea maestro are supposed to be hand welted.
This said, I agree that handwork doesn't always mean quality.

Eustace Tilley · May 30, 2012

Nope, the EGs I saw in-progress during my visit were actually lasted by hand (similar to the procedure highlighted in the Vass shoemaking book). Goodyear welting is obviously machine-welting as Goodyear is the name of the machine itself (I was unaware that the Meermin are hand-welted).

Regardless, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, none of this is an accurate indicator of quality. I like Meermin and recommend them, just don't buy them in the hope of getting an EG quality / style shoe.

hendrix · May 30, 2012

Totally unsure on what you guys mean by "finishing".
Is this the shine that people put on the shoes?

If construction is not an accurate indication of quality, what is?

Quadcammer · May 30, 2012

hendrix said:
Totally unsure on what you guys mean by "finishing".
Is this the shine that people put on the shoes?
If construction is not an accurate indication of quality, what is?

finishing to me means the the quality of the finish on the leather, as well as the stitching, welting, little things like the grooves on the welt (can't remember the name just now), etc.

Goodyear welting is very prevalent in these shoes...but I would prefer a well done machine GY welt to a sloppy or inexpertly done hand welt.

So yes, goodyear welting gets you in the door and hand lasting/welting is typically a step above. But its how well you employ each form of construction that is the ultimate determining factor to me.

hendrix · May 30, 2012

Quadcammer said:
finishing to me means the the quality of the finish on the leather, as well as the stitching, welting, little things like the grooves on the welt (can't remember the name just now), etc.
Goodyear welting is very prevalent in these shoes...but I would prefer a well done machine GY welt to a sloppy or inexpertly done hand welt.
So yes, goodyear welting gets you in the door and hand lasting/welting is typically a step above. But its how well you employ each form of construction that is the ultimate determining factor to me.

Understood. I think we just have different definitions and priorities.

Xenon · May 30, 2012

fritzl said:
well, the few EG's i have handled in person have been the blandest shoes i've ever seen. i'm not planning on getting meermin's either.
i was just curious.

Thank you.

The few EG's I handled, although well finished, were not just bland but downright unsexy, very oldmanish. This is OK if it fits with your entire conservative outfit, but certainly not eye catching or wow!

Let's face it EG's look, well, more robust!

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