Originally Posted by Cuttingboard
This may help. Post 938 on the Armoury Thread.
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The Carmina lasts are all width specific - from my experience, you cannot get a narrow last made wide, nor a wide last made narrow. Rather they have lasts that are narrow or wide, with different shapes and toe boxes per last. What we currently carry are the following;
Simpson - a narrow last with a chisel toe. Reasonably extended in the toe box, and a reasonably narrow waist. E width.
Alcudia - much like the Simpson, but with more of an Almond Toe. E width.
Robert - A rounded Almond toe, E width. Officially it is the same width as the Simspon, but the extra room at the toe tends to make it more comfortable for wider feet.
Inca - a pointed toe, on our widest last, with a fairly wide waist. The most comfortable last we have for wide and flat feet. EE width.
Rain - Much like the Inca, but with a chisel toe. EE width.
Forest - a popular last in Europe, it is a standard width with a soft round toe, quite low in the instep, so high insteps can feel a little pinched in this last. E width.
Uetam - a new last for us in a loafer, it feels very similar to the Forest, if a shade narrower. E width.
Originally Posted by Epaulet
The Armoury is definitely more familiar than I am with Carmina, but I'd take the width distinctions with a grain of salt. From what I've seen, their standard fits are all a variation of what we know as medium fitting.
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For our first round of makeups, we used the Inca, Rain, and Forest last. I wouldn't say that the Inca is like an "wide" fit to the Forest's "medium" fit. And all of them are slimmer than either the Alden Barrie or Tru-Balance last in their normal "D" medium sizing. They're slimmer than the Wolverine 1000 Mile last too - which is an excellent fitting boot and worked for most of our customers.
We've sold quite a few Rain-lasted Chelsea boots, and I haven't had anyone comment that the boot felt roomy or wide. Quite the opposite - it's a very elegant and slim, but not tight or narrow, last. It's a great fit on me, and I end up sliding around a bit in the Barrie, even with sizing down a half.
I believe that using either the Rain or the Simpson will result in a fit with a shade or two of difference. Kind of like the Alden Aberdeen vs. the Alden Leydon last. I'd be inclined to look at their "E" vs "EE" comparisons as more of a relation on which lasts are slimmer, rather than a direct correspondence to a traditional medium or wide fit.
But to date I've only corresponded with Carmina via emails and phone calls. I'll meet with them in person next Wednesday, and I plan on really hashing out the sizing then.
Going off these list, if I have wider feet would the Robert, Inca and Rain be best for me right?
My sizing as follows:
Alden Barrie: 10.5D or 10E, 10D on non boots is a little tight but could be doable, 10D on boots is too tight
Alden Grant: 10D on lwb, a bit tight by toes but good snug fit otherwise
Alden Modified: 10.5D a bit long but good fit otherwise
Alden Trubalance: 10.5D, good fit with slightly thicker socks
Allen Edmonds (5 and 7 lasts): 11D, never tried on wide but decent fit here
C&J 325 (RL Marlows): 10.5D ok fit
Grenson: 10E UK a bit long
Mark McNairy / Sanders: 9.5E UK
Meermin: Hiro last 10UK
Quoddy: 10D, super tight / painful for first few wears but after a while great sockless fit, pinky toes do poke out a bit though
To Boot NY: 11D kinda long
Trickers: 9.5 Fitting 5 UK
Yuketen 10E or 10.5DEdited by stevent - 6/12/12 at 12:11pm