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post #796 of 4102
Yes they are. The Double Monks in caramel and chocolate and the shortwings in chocolate and Chestnut shell are basically restocked every three months. Other colors and materials kind of go in and out according to demand.

Good to here...do you intend to carry the short wings in a brown calf?
post #797 of 4102
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Originally Posted by Cuttingboard View Post

This may help. Post 938 on the Armoury Thread. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The Carmina lasts are all width specific - from my experience, you cannot get a narrow last made wide, nor a wide last made narrow. Rather they have lasts that are narrow or wide, with different shapes and toe boxes per last. What we currently carry are the following;
Simpson - a narrow last with a chisel toe. Reasonably extended in the toe box, and a reasonably narrow waist. E width.
Alcudia - much like the Simpson, but with more of an Almond Toe. E width.
Robert - A rounded Almond toe, E width. Officially it is the same width as the Simspon, but the extra room at the toe tends to make it more comfortable for wider feet.
Inca - a pointed toe, on our widest last, with a fairly wide waist. The most comfortable last we have for wide and flat feet. EE width.
Rain - Much like the Inca, but with a chisel toe. EE width.
Forest - a popular last in Europe, it is a standard width with a soft round toe, quite low in the instep, so high insteps can feel a little pinched in this last. E width.
Uetam - a new last for us in a loafer, it feels very similar to the Forest, if a shade narrower. E width.
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The Armoury is definitely more familiar than I am with Carmina, but I'd take the width distinctions with a grain of salt. From what I've seen, their standard fits are all a variation of what we know as medium fitting. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
For our first round of makeups, we used the Inca, Rain, and Forest last. I wouldn't say that the Inca is like an "wide" fit to the Forest's "medium" fit. And all of them are slimmer than either the Alden Barrie or Tru-Balance last in their normal "D" medium sizing. They're slimmer than the Wolverine 1000 Mile last too - which is an excellent fitting boot and worked for most of our customers.
We've sold quite a few Rain-lasted Chelsea boots, and I haven't had anyone comment that the boot felt roomy or wide. Quite the opposite - it's a very elegant and slim, but not tight or narrow, last. It's a great fit on me, and I end up sliding around a bit in the Barrie, even with sizing down a half.
I believe that using either the Rain or the Simpson will result in a fit with a shade or two of difference. Kind of like the Alden Aberdeen vs. the Alden Leydon last. I'd be inclined to look at their "E" vs "EE" comparisons as more of a relation on which lasts are slimmer, rather than a direct correspondence to a traditional medium or wide fit.
But to date I've only corresponded with Carmina via emails and phone calls. I'll meet with them in person next Wednesday, and I plan on really hashing out the sizing then.


Going off these list, if I have wider feet would the Robert, Inca and Rain be best for me right?

My sizing as follows:
Alden Barrie: 10.5D or 10E, 10D on non boots is a little tight but could be doable, 10D on boots is too tight
Alden Grant: 10D on lwb, a bit tight by toes but good snug fit otherwise
Alden Modified: 10.5D a bit long but good fit otherwise
Alden Trubalance: 10.5D, good fit with slightly thicker socks
Allen Edmonds (5 and 7 lasts): 11D, never tried on wide but decent fit here
C&J 325 (RL Marlows): 10.5D ok fit
Grenson: 10E UK a bit long
Mark McNairy / Sanders: 9.5E UK
Meermin: Hiro last 10UK
Quoddy: 10D, super tight / painful for first few wears but after a while great sockless fit, pinky toes do poke out a bit though
To Boot NY: 11D kinda long
Trickers: 9.5 Fitting 5 UK
Yuketen 10E or 10.5D
Edited by stevent - 6/12/12 at 12:11pm
post #798 of 4102
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Originally Posted by Cuttingboard View Post

Yes they are. The Double Monks in caramel and chocolate and the shortwings in chocolate and Chestnut shell are basically restocked every three months. Other colors and materials kind of go in and out according to demand.
Good to here...do you intend to carry the short wings in a brown calf?

Sorry, I left those out. Yes, the Fitzgerald shortwings in chocolate calfskin is also a regular restock item for us.
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Originally Posted by stevent View Post

Going off these list, if I have wider feet would the Robert, Inca and Rain be best for me right?
My sizing as follows:
Alden Barrie: 10.5D or 10E, 10D on non boots is a little tight but could be doable, 10D on boots is too tight
Alden Grant: 10D on lwb, a bit tight by toes but good snug fit otherwise
Alden Modified: 10.5D a bit long but good fit otherwise
Alden Trubalance: 10.5D, good fit with slightly thicker socks
Allen Edmonds (5 and 7 lasts): 11D, never tried on wide but decent fit here
C&J 325 (RL Marlows): 10.5D ok fit
Grenson: 10E UK a bit long
Mark McNairy / Sanders: 9.5E UK
Meermin: Hiro last 10UK
Quoddy: 10D, super tight / painful for first few wears but after a while great sockless fit, pinky toes do poke out a bit though
To Boot NY: 11D kinda long
Trickers: 9.5 Fitting 5 UK
Yuketen 10E or 10.5D

Whoa, what a lineup!

It seems like you're on the border of Medium and Wide. I'm recommend a 10UK in the Rain or Inca last, I think that's going to work well. You can opt for a 10UK Wide in the Forest if you like.

I haven't personally had any experience with the Robert Last, but since it's similar to the Simpson last - which is on the narrower side - I'd recommend trying a 10.5UK there. It may feel a bit long, but I think that you'll need it for the extra width.
post #799 of 4102
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Originally Posted by bdeuce22 View Post

I remember suggesting that a while back. I'd be in for sure. Either an austerity or a cap toe double monk would be sweet as hell
NYR - any style preference?

Holy crap, Navy Shell Austerity brogue...count me in, even if I have to sell a kidney.
post #800 of 4102
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Holy crap, Navy Shell Austerity brogue...count me in, even if I have to sell a kidney.

I'll take that kidney because I'll sell both of mine for this. Count me in on the navy shell austerity brogues. Or the dub monks. With antiqued soles? Either way, navy shell goodness. 

post #801 of 4102
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Originally Posted by Epaulet View Post

Whoa, what a lineup!
It seems like you're on the border of Medium and Wide. I'm recommend a 10UK in the Rain or Inca last, I think that's going to work well. You can opt for a 10UK Wide in the Forest if you like.
I haven't personally had any experience with the Robert Last, but since it's similar to the Simpson last - which is on the narrower side - I'd recommend trying a 10.5UK there. It may feel a bit long, but I think that you'll need it for the extra width.

Thanks for the info. My feet length are more in the 10 or 10.5US but usually go up a bit to get width. Do you think the 9.5UK would work or would it be too tight? Lots of the MTO ideas sound great so I want to get my sizing dialed in.
post #802 of 4102
I not a fan of most balmoral boots but would love to have a pair of one these for fall/winter...anyone know anything about them or interested in MTO?

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post #803 of 4102
Here are some more pics of my Suede Brogues.

In a casual setting
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Here they are with a charcoal suit
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post #804 of 4102
Mike,
Can you give us a head's up of what's coming down the pipe with Carmina. I'm going to be game on the bal suede/calf boot and also probably on the navy shell brogue. BUT, if there is something coming for regular stock (without a MTO) then I may hold off on one of those two. I love the suede brogues but had I know a suede double monk was coming at the same time I would have opted for the monks. I just don't want to get caught like that again. Thanks!
post #805 of 4102
Anyone have a pic or mock-up of the navy shell brogue?
post #806 of 4102
Those balmorals above with vibram sole are pretty great. as a custom order, maybe you do a mixed-media boot with only the upper-uppers (the part where the laces are) in the textured grain leather.
post #807 of 4102

Please count me in on the Navy Shell Austerity Brogue! What last is it going to be on?


Edited by 0waterbouys - 6/14/12 at 10:16am
post #808 of 4102
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Originally Posted by Cuttingboard View Post

I not a fan of most balmoral boots but would love to have a pair of one these for fall/winter...anyone know anything about them or interested in MTO?
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ooof those balmorals are cool
post #809 of 4102
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Wow, those pebble grain bals are sick! Which last is that?
post #810 of 4102
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Originally Posted by NAMOR View Post

Wow, those pebble grain bals are sick! Which last is that?

Yes those are so nice - assuming you're talking about the boot? Haven't ever tried bal boots before - I wonder if they would work better for someone with a lower instep smile.gif
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