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post #76 of 93
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Originally Posted by mediahound View Post

AE salesguy the day after Christmas in San Francisco location flat out told me 'you are being too picky' when I returned some cordovan shoes that clearly showed yellow under the black dye (these were black shoes) as well as stitching issues. When I told him to refund me instead of exchanging the shoes then, he said, "Yeah, I think that would be best because you will just end up returning the new pair too it seems like'.
I'm not as impressed with AE anymore...

I'll say it again as I said it before in this thread: I picked up a pair of C&J for BB captoe cordovan boots for $524 or something like that. Best, most beautiful, most comfortable boots I own.

AE makes a decent entry-level shoe and I'm not knocking that. However, if you shop around and know how to play your cards you can find much better deals.
post #77 of 93
I've had the opposite experience in the SF AE store -- they bent their way backwards for me. Their service was terrific...thanks Rich!
post #78 of 93
I should add that I went their Christmas Eve and Boxing Day.
post #79 of 93
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Update: I sent the pictures to the local store and today received a call from the manager. I won't go into the details but will say that they went way above and beyond the call of duty to make this right. I will be getting another pair of boots and they are taking some specific steps to ensure that it is finished properly. It will be a six week wait, but I don't mind that so much if the product I'm getting is worth it. Even when the product doesn't live up to expectations, AE has worked hard to ensure my loyalty. No doubt, their service is significantly better than any other shoemaker I've worked with. I think I'm still in their camp.
post #80 of 93
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Originally Posted by stanford88 View Post

I've had the opposite experience in the SF AE store -- they bent their way backwards for me. Their service was terrific...thanks Rich!

I've been underwhelmed by the staff at the SF store. They've been friendly enough, but they seemed to be mostly good looking young women, and men who where new to shoe sales.
post #81 of 93
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Originally Posted by MWSH View Post

These criticisms of A&E seem misplaced to me; A&E occupies a venerable spot in the American marketplace, long since abandoned by the others in their peer group, like Cole Haan, J&M and Florsheim.  They represent accessible, USA-made, high-quality shoes made for the professional man who may not earn the wage that allows him easy access to George Cleverley.  That A&E is now lumped together with -- and critiqued against -- bespoke makers or upper-tier shoemakers like Lobb, E. Green or even Alden, is more a mark of its success than its lapses. 

 

As late as the 1990s, one could still choose among a gamut of American shoemakers get a quality American-made product, and even chose among a range of styles in shell cordovan from makers like J&M, Florsheim and Hanover.  Now we have only A&E left.  Every time I take out my J&M Aldrichs from fifteen years ago and realize I can't replace them because J& M now makes only crap, I thank God for A&E.  A&E stuck to their guns when the others capitulated to the sterile cyniscms of profit margins over loyalty to the American shoemaking tradition.  They deserve praise for that, not flyspecking over aesthetic considerations more appropriate to a significantly different market niche. 

 



 



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Patek, what is your experience with AE shells?

My limited experience is that they are quite good and seemed to be finished to a substantially higher standard than the calf shoes. My current pair is easily the match of my C&J hand grade in terms of detailing, construction, finish, and being shell, the AE "blob" look actually works out well since most shell cordovan shoes struggle with sleekness anyway.

I agree with your comments on the AE calf shoes, but those are half the price of these, or less.

Outside of the rare Ralph Lauren 4 hour sale, how often do shell cordovan boots appear at this price point?

I just picked up the C&J for BB shell boots for $533 or something like that. I am bothered by the finishing of my Alden shell boots, but have to admit that I have never seen AE shells, just figured they would be below Alden.


Agree with first post above 100%.   I have AE shells, Alden shells and two pairs of 14 year old Hanover shell wingtips.  I feel the AEs are easily as nice if not nicer than the Alden's. 

 

Just received last week a pair of the C&J for BB Captoe Shell boots. I was surprised by what I felt was their poor quality out of the box.   First off the color on each boot does not match.  The left boot is a shade lighter in the bend area. The welt stitching is sloppy at places on each boot, the tongue on the left boot arrived unattached to the sidewall as it should be and finally the right boot is about 1/6 of an inch wider than the left. Unfortunately I was so excited to get them for $575 that I disregarded the tongue issue and wore them right away without a thorough exam so I assume I can't return them.  I am new here but have read a lot of rave reviews about these boots and C&J in particular.  I must say I am a bit dissapointed with them. My AE shell Randolphs are perfect and I also have two paie of AE calfs that are perfect, very nice quality and very comfortable. 

post #82 of 93
Thread Starter 
OP here. Well, my second (replacement) pair came in. According to the manager, this pair received a personal, periodic inspection from the head of QA during its assembly.

In a nutshell, they are much improved. The finishing is more even, the shoe looks cleaner. The stitching is much improved... stitching no longer veers off in strange directions. The soles are the same thickness, and the sides are actually painted properly this time. They are lasted more properly now, with no weird bulbous spots. They fit quite comfortably compared to the old pair, which is surprising given that they are the same size.

Apparently the cordovan is softer, particular on the tongue. As it was explained to me, leather was/is hung/rolled to loosen fibers. The tongue is indeed much softer, and much more comfortable than before. I wish I had the old pair handy, because this pair has a different look... narrower and more curvaceous I suppose? It definitely looks cleaner.

Not all is perfect. Personal inspection during assembly didn't stop loose threads from jutting out everywhere, several pieces of leather that aren't quite aligned properly, there's one missing brogue punch on the toe cap of the right shoe, and so on. I'd say that whereas the previous pair had the look of a junior high school kid's shoe project, this one looks like the work of a college junior who wants to do well but is in a bit of a rush. In other words, it's much better, but if this weren't shell cordovan, I would have walked out feeling a bit disappointed. However, with the loose threads snipped, and a thorough brushing, they look great!

Needless to say, I'm satisfied and am keeping them!

I'm told that a walnut cordovan cream is coming from AE in the near future.
Edited by swiego - 2/2/12 at 6:00pm
post #83 of 93
good thing it turned out well.

The different thickness in sole is a big f*cking problem. Everything else, IMHO, is acceptable for AE.
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Originally Posted by swiego View Post

OP here. Well, my second (replacement) pair came in. . In other words, it's much better, but if this weren't shell cordovan, it would be a bad value at the price given the attention that was given to detail.
It is shell though, so I am keeping it!
I'm told that a walnut cordovan cream is coming from AE in the near future.
I'm looking forward to wearing these tomorrow!


Glad to hear it turned out well for you! Your second pair sounds a lot like mine. The space in the heel area is still bothering me and I will make it to the cobbler sooner than later to have him fill the area in with veg tan leather. I put Vibram half soles on but they are still slick on ice so will end up sending them to Nick in NYC for Commando soles this spring. Last week got my order from Kirby (Hanger Project) and treated mine with Reno and it really brought out the black on the edges and else where dramatically. You had mentioned elsewhere the thought of using wax to help with water welts and I agree. Got the MDO Cognac (#10) and after a couple of coats they look like glass. I put many hours into the brushing before hand though. And after the Reno, resting and waxing. Happy to hear that things have turned out well for you, and hope you get as much enjoyment out of them as I do mine which I wore once again today with Khaki dress pants. The looks and compliments were worth every penny.

 

post #85 of 93
Thread Starter 
Thanks for sharing your experiences with shoe care; I have been wondering what creams or waxes to use with them.

My heel is a bit loose as well. It does not seem to bother me much; because the boots are tied above the ankle, there is very little slip. Nevertheless I have noticed the looseness, and have wondered how they would wear had there been more padding/lining in the back.

I'm looking forward to wearing these tomorrow. I never wore the previous pair (except at home on carpet) because I was uncomfortable with them from the start and considering returning them, so I am doubly excited about putting some wear on them.
post #86 of 93
Thread Starter 
I wore them today!

They were exceptionally comfortable. However, I discovered that driving a two-seat sports car with these things on does not work well; I am used to ankle flex while shifting and that was not possible with these things laced up. I actually ended up pulling over and loosening them up. Not a big deal, though, and they looked fabulous and remained comfortable throughout the day. I can see how these are not going to be fun to wear in the summer. Otherwise, I think they are an incredible value.
post #87 of 93
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Originally Posted by swiego View Post

I wore them today!
They were exceptionally comfortable. However, I discovered that driving a two-seat sports car with these things on does not work well; I am used to ankle flex while shifting and that was not possible with these things laced up. I actually ended up pulling over and loosening them up. Not a big deal, though, and they looked fabulous and remained comfortable throughout the day. I can see how these are not going to be fun to wear in the summer. Otherwise, I think they are an incredible value.

You should switch to a 4 seat sports car, they are far easier to drive with boots on.
post #88 of 93
Thread Starter 
So, has anyone managed to find an AE cream or polish for these?
post #89 of 93

I plan to just use a damp rag and horsehair brush for daily clean-up, and put a little saphir renovateur 2x per year to re-moisturize.  I'm also toying with the idea of some brown paste wax on certain parts, if I want to get creative. 

post #90 of 93
Just got mine...seconds for $299 that I cannot see any real blemishes! Lucked
out I guess...
They are awesome and feel great. I am very happy with the purchase. I have the Alden Shell Plain Toe in Color 8 and find them to be awesome as well! I am gotten great deals on Cordovan Cap Toes from BB so I have both Black and Color 8 as well as the Cordovan 987 Loafer in Color 8 and for the sale prices you could not go wrong ever on Shell Cordovan! Was lucky to get some Ron Rider Shell Loafers in Shell Cordovan Black and Brown and they are great quality. Trying to get a pair of Rider Shell Boots to compare to AE and Alden.

Hope everyone enjoys the Shell Daltons like I do!

Cordovanman
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