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post #76 of 89
Cifonelli is carried by Neiman-Marcus and Bergdorf-Goodman. There are probably others too. A few months ago, a Filene's Basement I went to in DC had a dozen or more Cifonelli suits and blazers which had come from Bergdorf's. Original Bergdorf's prices were high -- over $2,000 for suits. Very nice suits though. Appeared to be on par with the Luciano Barbera and St. Andrews suits that were also available. Belvest's were there for sale too, but they seemed to be a slight step down in quality.
post #77 of 89
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Originally Posted by HRHAndrew
Ok, I'll bite.

I don't think I could do a 1-X list, but will break them into levels. And Freddy this is all subjective with personal preferences. Also, you start with Armani and their are several levels of Armani quality. But I will give it a go, since it is your first post and all.

Super Top Level- (Reading from your list order)
Attolini, Oxxford, Kiton

Top Level-
Sartoria(Attolini), Barbera, Pal Zileri(sartorial), Isaia, Brioni, Zegna(Napoli)

2nd Level-
Boss Baldessarini, Canali Exclusive, Cerruti (1881, not Nina), RL Purple Label, Belvest

3rd Level-
Armani Classico, Canali, Zegna, Corneliani

4th Level-
Armani Le Coll., Polo RL, Pal Zileri(Gruppo)

5th Level and below-
Armani Mani, Hugo Boss, Canali Proposta, Pal Zileri Pull, RL others, Zegna Soft.

I didn't put too much thought into it, but wanted to respond. Freddy, I think you will find that while we share our opinions freely that you may need to be more specific to get responses. Just by typing only "Zegna" when I believe that the differences between Napoli and Soft are great enough that I couldn't answer without pointing them out. I of course don't want to do any work today so I am responding. Another thing you will probably see is that there will be many who disagree with my list.

BTW, welcome to the forum.

-Andy


Armani, Hugo Boss, Attolini, Oxford, Kiton, Canali, Cerruti, Barbera, Pal Zileri, Isaia, Ralph Lauren, Brioni, Zegna, Corneliani, and Belvest. I would be interested in hearing your opinions.

I'm wondering: in which category does Paul Stuart fall? what about BB?

--trajan
post #78 of 89
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Originally Posted by trajan View Post
I'm wondering: in which category does Paul Stuart fall? what about BB?

--trajan

As interesting in knowing how your would rank Paul Stuart and BB.
post #79 of 89
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Originally Posted by aybojs View Post
I had read somewhere that Cerruti 1881 suits were canvas-front, though I confess to never having seen one in person though. Where did you get yours, Stu... I was curious if your suit was am anomaly or the general rule for the line.

As for Corneliani, my opinion on it is that it is a very solid brand which would be great for a business suit or an entry-level suit into the canvas front range. While I have to agree that the quality is good, I do find it a little boring, plus I hear that Corneliani has started making a line of fused suits as well. I'd put Canali higher because they have better, slimmer cuts and a slightly more interesting choice of fabrics.

In comparision with Gucci, my choice would depend on the make of the suit and the reason I'd wear it. Being really stubborn about canvas fronts, I'd only pick up one of the higher end Gucci models made by Zegna(?) as opposed to their cheaper, fused offerings. If I wanted a more exciting evening suit, I'd take Gucci hands down because they have some really sleek looking models with double vents, ticket pocket, and a slimmer cut. But if I just needed a solid interview suit I'd stick with Canali.

I have been toying with the idea of having a blazer custom-made by Corneliani, made of Italian material and made in Canada. Price is about $1,000, but camel-hair cashmere.
post #80 of 89
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Originally Posted by mkarim View Post
I have been toying with the idea of having a blazer custom-made by Corneliani, made of Italian material and made in Canada. Price is about $1,000, but camel-hair cashmere.

Custom as in MTM or Bespoke? I'm assuming you mean bespoke with Italian fabric in Canada?
post #81 of 89
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Originally Posted by jasonsun View Post
Custom as in MTM or Bespoke? I'm assuming you mean bespoke with Italian fabric in Canada?

At the risk of sounding blatantly ignorant, what's the difference?

The problem is that I am a size 36S and it is very difficult to buy blazers in that size off the rack, esp. in a color I want (chocolate or light brown).
post #82 of 89
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Originally Posted by mkarim View Post
At the risk of sounding blatantly ignorant, what's the difference?

The problem is that I am a size 36S and it is very difficult to buy blazers in that size off the rack, esp. in a color I want (chocolate or light brown).

That's a tought one to explain, but let me give it a try.

Think about buying a car....MTM is like picking options (18 in wheel vs 17...DVD.....) whereas Bespoke is like designing your own car from ground up....

The reason i say it's tough to explain is because during MTM events, you get to choose fabric, sizes, so it feels like it's customized for you exclusively...But the difference is you're still picking options that's been pre-defined...it's like you can customize in whichever way you want as long as i offer it.....whereas Bespoke it's truly whatever you want as long as it's possible.
post #83 of 89
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Originally Posted by jasonsun View Post
That's a tought one to explain, but let me give it a try.

Think about buying a car....MTM is like picking options (18 in wheel vs 17...DVD.....) whereas Bespoke is like designing your own car from ground up....

The reason i say it's tough to explain is because during MTM events, you get to choose fabric, sizes, so it feels like it's customized for you exclusively...But the difference is you're still picking options that's been pre-defined...it's like you can customize in whichever way you want as long as i offer it.....whereas Bespoke it's truly whatever you want as long as it's possible.

I am not sure which one it is. It was through Mark Shale.
post #84 of 89
Bespoke: Pattern made for you, from scratch. MTM: Modifications made to existing pattern.
post #85 of 89
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post
Bespoke: Pattern made for you, from scratch. MTM: Modifications made to existing pattern.

Then it is MTM.
post #86 of 89
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Originally Posted by naturlaut View Post
Ready-made Attolini is only available in the Sartoria label, so in the interest of the topic, Sartoria Attolini should be along Kiton (and in my opinion, Brioni).

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Originally Posted by donlipa View Post
I've bought "gianluca isaia" suits (both mens and womens) from this seller and he is legit (although he does inflate the retail price). I've read in robb report that isaia has 3 levels of quality. Although the fused front is disapointing, i don't know why you doubt that isaia has come out with an "entry level" line as they have openly embraced modern production processes combined with "old world" tailoring. Even the "gianluca line" is partly machine made. As far as I know only the "enricho isaia" line is 100% handmade.

This is based on what i've read, so correct me if i'm wrong.

I also agree that sartoria attolini is on the same level as kiton and brioni

are these referring to the Sartorio label made by Attolini? or is sartoria and sartorio different labels or brands? thanks.
post #87 of 89
From what I've seen I got to put canali exclusive up there with rlpl st. Andrews.
post #88 of 89
Where would Luigi Borrelli, Armani Prive, Prada, Louie Vuitton, Valentino fall on the list?
post #89 of 89

very funny you wrote this in 2003.... and now Porsche has a poor quality suv...

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