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I critiqued my boss's clothing yesterday, and still have a job

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My boss, the CEO of our company, has always been a shorts and flip flops kind of guy. We are a software company. I used to be the only person at my company that wore suits, sportcoats, english shoes etc. I have been on Styleforum since 2004 so my style is pretty well developed. I do not post often though.

My boss has recently decided to start dressing in business attire. He has bought some some suits. He has bought some better dress shoes, Allen Edmond Mc Neils. He has also bought some blazers and slacks. These were all very recent purchases.

Yesterday my boss was kind of asking for some advice or we were at least discussing clothes. Most of the suits and sportcoats he just recently bought are black. I carefully told him that in the future he should buy less black and more blue or grey. He asked "why?". I thought about it a moment and said "Black suits are fine for a funeral or wearing at night to a nightclub. If you wear black suits during the day it just makes you kind of look like a limo driver or something". At the time he was also wearing a tie and black slacks but did not wear a jacket that day. So I added "Maybe avoid wearing a tie when you are not wearing a jacket because it kind of makes you look like a waiter." Then the conversation moved onto slacks. He was wearing navy slacks yesterday. He also started that he had bought some black slacks. So I added, "Avoid black slacks. They make you look like a busboy or waiter. Also avoid blue slacks becuase they look like half a suit.". He responded, "What about blue, striped slacks?" I responded, "Blue, striped suit yes, striped pants NO, again looks like half a suit". I recommended that he buy blue suits and grey suits, grey slacks of different shades, a couple blue blazers, and a couple of sportcoats. blue socks, and solid ties or ties with small simple, geometric patterns. I told him just stick to those basics and you will never have to think about this stuff again.

Some of you may think that was career suicide but I like and respect the man too much not to help him with this. He has helped me with many things. I figured if he was asking, then he really wanted help. His response was positive. He asked where I accumalated this knowledge. I didn't want to tell him about styleforum for various reasons. I recommended tat he get an Alan Flusser book.

What Flusser book would be best for his situation?
post #2 of 139

Well, he is the one who asked you for advice. I'd think it would harm your career more to refuse to give it to him.

post #3 of 139
Maybe a career as a waiter or limo driver would better suit him? You can recommend that.

Or Dressing the Man.
post #4 of 139
That was tough criticism! Right, but tough. Tell him to read The Suit by our fellow veteran Nicholas Antongiavanni. It's the best book for beginners; it covers the basics in the most pleasant way. Then your boss could read Flusser, which is more advanced.

And just a word on navy pants... They are perfectly fine, especially with grey jackets. Your advice against blue pants was wrong!
post #5 of 139
As much as I love The Suit and recommend it highly, I don't think it is great for beginners. I don't think a beginner would get the humor and if one tries to follow it too closely they will either get lost, or notice contradictions and they might give themselves the run-around.
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Originally Posted by Chrenetique View Post

That was tough criticism! Right, but tough. Tell him to read The Suit by our fellow veteran Nicholas Antongiavanni. It's the best book for beginners; it covers the basics in the most pleasant way. Then your boss could read Flusser, which is more advanced.
And just a word on navy pants... They are perfectly fine, especially with grey jackets. Your advice against blue pants was wrong!

He has been wearing navy slacks with a tie and no jacket. We are talking true, dark navy here. If you buy true, dark navy slacks, then I would have to disagree with you. Blue slacks can look okay with some jackets if they are a lighter shade than navy.

Anyway, 9 times out of 10 navy slacks will look like shit. I was trying to give him some simple rules to live by. If you like navy slacks, keep wearing them. I won't tell you it's WRONG.
post #7 of 139
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And just a word on navy pants... They are perfectly fine, especially with grey jackets. Your advice against blue pants was wrong!

I like navy pants as well. In fact, I am wearing some made by oxxford in a more indigo/navy right now smile.gif

I think the trick is to get the colour/cut right. I'm not a big fan of cotton, wool looks nicer IMO.
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Originally Posted by Achilles_ View Post

I like navy pants as well. In fact, I am wearing some made by oxxford in a more indigo/navy right now smile.gif
I think the trick is to get the colour/cut right. I'm not a big fan of cotton, wool looks nicer IMO.

Not as bad as black slacks but still the second worse color for a pair of slacks. Thanks for trying though.
post #9 of 139
Dark pants are very hard to pair with odd jackets. 99% of the time I think lighter trousers win over dark trou. Doc Holliday or Trini are the real men to ask though.
post #10 of 139

I don't know what kind of fancy place y'all live in, but 'round these parts, waiters all wear McDonald's uniforms.

post #11 of 139
Do they actually wait on you? If so, that is a fancy ass McDonalds. confused.gif
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Originally Posted by Closer View Post

Not as bad as black slacks but still the second worse color for a pair of slacks. Thanks for trying though.

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Originally Posted by Closer View Post

My boss, the CEO of our company, has always been a shorts and flip flops kind of guy. We are a software company. I used to be the only person at my company that wore suits, sportcoats, english shoes etc. I have been on Styleforum since 2004 so my style is pretty well developed. I do not post often though.
My boss has recently decided to start dressing in business attire. He has bought some some suits. He has bought some better dress shoes, Allen Edmond Mc Neils. He has also bought some blazers and slacks. These were all very recent purchases.
Yesterday my boss was kind of asking for some advice or we were at least discussing clothes. Most of the suits and sportcoats he just recently bought are black. I carefully told him that in the future he should buy less black and more blue or grey. He asked "why?". I thought about it a moment and said "Black suits are fine for a funeral or wearing at night to a nightclub. If you wear black suits during the day it just makes you kind of look like a limo driver or something". At the time he was also wearing a tie and black slacks but did not wear a jacket that day. So I added "Maybe avoid wearing a tie when you are not wearing a jacket because it kind of makes you look like a waiter." Then the conversation moved onto slacks. He was wearing navy slacks yesterday. He also started that he had bought some black slacks. So I added, "Avoid black slacks. They make you look like a busboy or waiter. Also avoid blue slacks becuase they look like half a suit.". He responded, "What about blue, striped slacks?" I responded, "Blue, striped suit yes, striped pants NO, again looks like half a suit". I recommended that he buy blue suits and grey suits, grey slacks of different shades, a couple blue blazers, and a couple of sportcoats. blue socks, and solid ties or ties with small simple, geometric patterns. I told him just stick to those basics and you will never have to think about this stuff again.
Some of you may think that was career suicide but I like and respect the man too much not to help him with this. He has helped me with many things. I figured if he was asking, then he really wanted help. His response was positive. He asked where I accumalated this knowledge. I didn't want to tell him about styleforum for various reasons. I recommended tat he get an Alan Flusser book.
What Flusser book would be best for his situation?

You imparted some questionable views which are no more than your personal opinion and certainly not facts.

Not everyone associates black suits thus and black slacks are very useful items for wear. They do not imply the menial posts of which you speak. It is not career suicide and that should not be your boast but questionable it certainly is.
post #14 of 139
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Originally Posted by Achilles_ View Post

I like navy pants as well. In fact, I am wearing some made by oxxford in a more indigo/navy right now smile.gif
I think the trick is to get the colour/cut right. I'm not a big fan of cotton, wool looks nicer IMO.

Achilles,

I was just joking. Don't get upset. I personally do not like dark navy slacks. I buy 80% grey in different shades. Then I buy a few tan and brown for occasional wear. I just like to keep it simple. That is just me.
post #15 of 139
I'd not go into the office on Friday (firing day). shog[1].gif
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