Originally Posted by Englandmj7
Not sure what games you have been watching but you sure as hell can see essentially the whole team, formations, etc. without the players looking like ants.
I saw none or very little of it in the World Cup, which was the last soccer I watched live. Personally I think American football is much better suited to being televised. The camerawork is overall much better, more focused on the action, and the innovations in wire cameras and etc pioneered in football are slowly making their way into soccer, but it isn't all there yet.
There are also a multitude of relevant statistics provided during and after the game, please see below (and that isn't even half of the total available, but rather all I could capture in a screenshot):
Ok, so who has the most completed passes in the history of pro soccer? If the passing is so important, who's the best passer ever? Should be an easy question, if quantifiable progress is indeed present, as you say. I can tell you right now that Brett Favre has the most completed passes in NFL history, with Dan Marino second. Peyton Manning might eventually pass them, but it will be a while.
In regards to your other comments: A.) Your description of always moving forward or backwards in order to score or be scored upon is FAR more relevant in soccer. In football, however, they do the same thing but are only ALLOWED to go one direction and they take up to 20 minutes to get there. Don't really see what you're arguing here.
I'm arguing that in Soccer, it might take both teams more than 90 minutes to get up the field and score and if nobody scores, then its perfectly alright. Which is baffling. American football offensive players run backwards all the time, and occasionally will pass backwards as well. It's not reccomended due to the nature of the game, but it happens and there are no rules against it per-se. Also the opposing defense causes teams to back up with sacks and etc. Soccer is NOT about scoring. If it were about scoring points, then a tie would be unacceptable. (which in my opinion it is anyways). Soccer is about passing, teamwork, and defense. Which there is nothing wrong with, its just much more boring to watch for 90 minutes than say basketball, where the strategy and creative teamwork actually amounts to points more times than not.
B.) Soccer players do not pass aimlessly; you will find that it is a very mentally intense game as in addition to the physical stress, players must literally be excellent playmakers on their own, without the need for a coach drawing squiggly lines and saying "you stand here and you go this way." There is no talent in that. A soccer player constantly looks for openings and plays are very complex; they literally have milli-seconds to make a play, as opposed to huddling for 5 minutes and looking at a drawing board to tell them exactly what they should do for the next 10 SECONDS. Soccer players don't just pass
for shits and giggles, they are trying to find the most direct way to the goal.
what you are describing is improvising, which happens in all sports, yes - even American football. American football just happens to be like a chess match, where there are different peices with different jobs that are more clearly defined than in most other sports. Soccer players try to find an empty space to run to so the ball will be passed to them, same as in football, but one is planned, and one is random. And nobody huddles for five minutes, that would be ridiculous. Huddles typically last 5-10 seconds, and there are no drawing boards on the field, because you have to hike the ball before the play clock expires. If you are going to bash the sport, at least get your over generalizations straight. I've watched and played soccer enough to know what it is and what it is not. I've also watched and played American football, and found it to be, in my opinion, a superior sport. It's much more complex than soccer, which is why a lot of people don't like it, but it requires no less stamina, strength, endurance, or intelligence to play.
C.) A scoreless half is just as amazing as a goal as you are sick with anticipation at each attempt on goal, or the possibility of a great steal...you are witness to miraculous shots, fantastic saves, and amazing passes. It is a game of finesse, not a gang of brute force defenders & speed demons waiting on their QB to make a wise move. Football has no character and no charm. Americans should be envious (as I am) at the passion the rest of the world has for their soccer.
I have no problem with people who don't LIKE football, but once again, you clearly have no understanding of the game. I know that the anticipation of a great play is why people watch soccer, but the problem that I have with it is that the great plays, shots on goal, great saves, etc. RARELY happen... There were 13 total shots on goal during ENG v POR in 120 minutes during the world cup, not to mention that there were 31 fouls and an ejection which of course, stop play (just like in American football). Final score on penalties 3-1. It takes approximately 1 second to recieve a pass and shoot at the goal. So subtract 13 seconds from 120 minutes, and what is left? Anticipation? Here in the US, we like to try and fill the rest of the time with constructive strategy, not just running around and trying to get open, or trying to steal the ball, which is why there are specific plays on offense and defense to try and counter each other. Its sort of like war, or my earlier analogy of chess. Very similar.
And if you want to talk about talent as being physical athletes, you run an average of 7 miles a game in soccer. There is a reason why in football an obese 300 lb. man can be great at the sport, or that in basketball, a 7'3" 250 lb. man can be great at the sport. In soccer there is no bullshit. Your size doesn't matter: it is 100% skill.
If you think that being 300lbs is all it takes to play football, I think thats pretty laughable. As laughable as me saying that anyone who can run seven miles can play pro soccer. Don't cheapen your argument like that. Julius Peppers is 6'-7" 283 pounds, has a 38 inch vertical leap, can squat 575 pounds, and also runs a 11 second 100 yard dash, and could pretty easily run down nearly any soccer player on the planet. I'm not saying that it makes being able to run seven miles and pass a ball well less important, but never underestimate the physical fitness of a football player. Most of them are not as "fat" as you think they are.
At the end of the day, one is by far
the most popular sport in the world, and the other (football) isn't even the most popular sport in the U.S., which says alot about how exciting it is........
Not sure where you are getting your information from, but American football is by far the most popular sport in the US
in just about every way imaginable. More fans, more money, more television audience, etc. The prevailing theory of why its the most popular sport in the world is that it takes so little to play it. You don't even really need a ball, you can make do with a knotted up rag and some tape and a couple of garbage cans. It helps build a large fanbase when your game is that accessable. But that has very little to do with it being a superior sport, which is purely subjective. If you make baseball, football, and basketball as accessable to the world as soccer is, then in 20 years take a worldwide poll of the most popular sport, I think you'd be suprised, but I guess we'll never know.