Originally Posted by Gdot My point is that your roof is, in roofmaking terms, the very same sort of thing as these shoes are: A product which is machine made, detrimentel to the environment, created and installed with the lowest level of craftsmenship and skill, etc. etc. etc.
Unless we accept the fact that all things we use cannot be high art, we are destined to either go bankrupt or live in the frustration that all we have is a cheap and evil expedience. So I take some exception to the idea that one should be somewhat outraged at the damage one is doing to the world by buying a machine made shoe full of synthetic parts.
I think you and I are very similar in that we value the consideration and thought behind something as much as the something itself. And I believe we are actually seeing the same things - just approaching them from slightly different angles.
I think perhaps the misunderstanding here is that I don't perceive this thread as extolling the virtues of this particular shoe as much as I see it as an unvarnished evaluation of the item so that the buyer can make an informed choice.
Further, I think that by attempting to frame the value of the artistry of shoemaking in practical or moral terms you actually devalue it's true inherint and singular value - art for art's sake.
Does this make any sense to you or am I totally off base?
I'm not talking about art here. When did I use or employ the term "art?" That's your word and while it may reflect what you see as a dichotomy...it doesn't reflect my POV.
An astonishing number of people secretly dream of being an "Artiste." They believe that "art" is the highest form of human expression...never once considering that most, if not all, art is interpretive and therefore at variance with reality and "honest" values. To be an "honest" Craftsman is, to my mind, far the nobler endeavour. That's where the "true" and "inherent and singular value" really lies.
I recognize my roof is, or may be, detrimental to the environment. Many houses are sold "as is."
That said, asphaltum or bitumen is naturally occurring. It's been used by aboriginal people time out of mind. Waste paper is, of course, something of a resource recovery. And gravel only has to be screened for size.
Nevertheless, the idea that nearly everything we consume is "cheap and evil" is probably closer to the truth than many want to admit. We don't have much choice...hence my anecdote about lard. This is the world we were born into. But it is the choices we do
make...not only in what we buy but in how we think about things (like manufactured shoes)...that determines, will determine, what the future will look like.
The "outrage" (if any) for me, is that on a a forum ostensibly devoted to the discussion of products, and things in our lives that rise above the ordinary, there is so much focus on stuff that objectively fails to rise even
to the level of ordinary.
And tell the truth...until I posted my comment/question, the thread was all sweetness and light and praise for the shoe and the brand and the finish.
"Extolling" seems a good
word in that context.Edited by DWFII - 1/14/12 at 2:16pm