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post #16 of 210
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Originally Posted by iroh View Post

this is how Chinese suits are madewhy do they have so many white people in China?

Everyone should watch this as a cautionary tale - tape, glue, silicone "perma-crease mixture!"
post #17 of 210
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Originally Posted by meister View Post

What gets me is that we (Australia and elsewhwere in the West) sacrificed out manufacturing industry to to offshore our jobs to the PRC . Many sellers have chosen to use the PRC as a way of selling crap/inferior stuff for the same price as they used to charge for well made local stuff. As my alterations guy said to me "they start with poor quality thread on the shirts" and the rest is history.

I agree with the sentiment, but the blame is misplaced. When big brands choose outsourcing to maximize their profits, not only do they save on labor but they also cut corners on materials. Inevitably consumers believe what they see, that is, a shitty product with a [Made in China] tag.
post #18 of 210
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Originally Posted by porcelain monkey View Post

Everyone should watch this as a cautionary tale - tape, glue, silicone "perma-crease mixture!"

Making suits is labor-intensive.

Labor in the west is expensive.

Consumers and retailers exert downward pressure on pricing (every time you buy something on "deep discount" you contribute to this downward pressure) so manufacturers have to

a) find ways to automate the process to reduce costs (tape, glue, etc.)

or

b) go where the cost of labor is lower so they can maintain or raise the level of quality

The company featured in the video is in Canada. They are on the more *ahem* affordable end of the spectrum. They started to manufacture product in China as well- the product made in China had tons of hand work, lots of extra operations, and was generally a better product than the domestic one but could be offered at a similar price point. So putting a garment back on the rack just because it says "Made in China" is not always a good idea.

Ask me how I know all this.
post #19 of 210

I too share a bias against Chinese made goods. But sometimes it is hard to avoid. I just picked up a great mohair Paul Smith cardigan that turned out to be made in China, which made me feel like a bit of a hypocrite. Paul Smith!

 

Maybe times are changing? I don't know. Personally, it is more important to me to know where the fabric is woven or the yarns are spun. With suits, I would stay away from anything Chinese simply because of the degree of intricacy of construction that gets lost with all the machinework and glue tape (great share on that video by the way). But in many cases I find it more important to know where the fabric itself was woven. Most of the time I find that fabric starts to show signs of age much more quickly than the stitching that holds it together.

post #20 of 210
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Originally Posted by BostonHedonist View Post

. With suits, I would stay away from anything Chinese simply because of the degree of intricacy of construction that gets lost with all the machinework and glue tape (great share on that video by the way).

You're missing the point- in China they don't have to use all that glue because they can do it the proper way for the same price.
post #21 of 210
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Originally Posted by jefferyd View Post

Ask me how I know all this.

How do you know all this? biggrin.gif
post #22 of 210
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Originally Posted by Achilles_ View Post

How do you know all this? biggrin.gif

That's me in that video.
post #23 of 210
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Originally Posted by jefferyd View Post

You're missing the point- in China they don't have to use all that glue because they can do it the proper way for the same price.

Exactly!

I find that especially with small family shops/factories if you are patient with them and their learning curve they can turn out some exceptional quality and do hand made (not just clothes) that the west will not even consider doing any more at any price - mindset.
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Originally Posted by jefferyd View Post

That's me in that video.

Is that you hand cutting?
post #25 of 210
EDIT!

Nevermind. I thought about what I said and answered my own question. Mods, please remove this (my) post.
post #26 of 210
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Originally Posted by iroh View Post

this is how Chinese suits are madewhy do they have so many white people in China?

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post #27 of 210
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Originally Posted by Achilles_ View Post

Is that you hand cutting?

No, it's me sketching etc. I told them that nobody draws on paper, it's all done by computer but they wanted it done that way.
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Originally Posted by Pawz View Post

Why would the cost-efficient Chinese factories rely hand stitching or any other 'extraneous' measure to produce above-average quality if their commisioner's agenda is to dramatically reduce costs (therefore the Chinese workers aren't justly compensated, esp. if paid hourly)? Is it not better from the commissioner's standpoint to keep production values cheap while paying less money?

No. Retail pricepoints are predetermined by the retailer- they dictate to the manufacturer what the retail price will be, thus establishing the costing structure. The manufacturer tries to make the best possible product within that pricepoint.
post #28 of 210
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Originally Posted by jefferyd View Post

No, it's me sketching etc. I told them that nobody draws on paper, it's all done by computer but they wanted it done that way.

Wait wut, you were following a script!?!??
post #29 of 210
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Originally Posted by entrero View Post

Wait wut, you were following a script!?!??

Shocking, I know.
post #30 of 210
@Mr. Jeffery: As per my understanding, you're a respected member here, so may I ask why you'd agree to not 'show it as it is' in the video?
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