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Submariner jumper that is not wool

post #1 of 14
11/25/11 at 5:39pm
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Id really like a submariner jumper that is 100% wool but they are a bit expensive. I have come across 60% cotton, 30%polyamide and 10% wool ones.

Do you think i should go for it? Do you think it is good for cold weather with so much cotton?
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post #2 of 14
11/25/11 at 6:07pm
I say go crazy and spring for wool. But, like most of us here, I am presently in bankruptcy. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
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post #3 of 14
11/25/11 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by VictorC View Post

Id really like a submariner jumper that is 100% wool but they are a bit expensive. I have come across 60% cotton, 30%polyamide and 10% wool ones.
Do you think i should go for it? Do you think it is good for cold weather with so much cotton?

Is this one too dear?
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post #4 of 14
11/25/11 at 8:57pm
Here is a cotton one from Orvis: http://www.orvis.com/store/product.aspx?pf_id=3H3L

I'd recommend a wool one from North Sea Clothing instead though.
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post #5 of 14
11/25/11 at 9:55pm
If you're hoping for it to keep you warm, you'll need to spring for wool or settle for acrylic. Cotton just doesn't do it. Cotton sweaters are nice on a cool day, but if it's ever flat out cold, you won't even notice them. A nice chunky wool sweater, on the other hand, can be all you need on a day a below freezing.
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post #6 of 14
11/26/11 at 6:19am
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Originally Posted by robin View Post

Here is a cotton one from Orvis: http://www.orvis.com/store/product.aspx?pf_id=3H3L
I'd recommend a wool one from North Sea Clothing instead though.

Yes i'll check them out, the other place i saw one was nauticallia.
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If you're hoping for it to keep you warm, you'll need to spring for wool or settle for acrylic. Cotton just doesn't do it. Cotton sweaters are nice on a cool day, but if it's ever flat out cold, you won't even notice them. A nice chunky wool sweater, on the other hand, can be all you need on a day a below freezing.

Never seen acrylic one but is acrylic warmer than cotton, i imagine so.
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post #7 of 14
11/26/11 at 9:35am
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Yes i'll check them out, the other place i saw one was nauticallia.
Never seen acrylic one but is acrylic warmer than cotton, i imagine so.

Acrylic is essentially artificial cashmere. Very fine synthetic threads, and it's warm and soft. I find it lacks the temperature regulation real wools have, so it's always hot, where real protein fibers actually adjust how much heat they hold with the temperature- they won't hold as much heat in if it's warm where you are. That's great for going in and out of buildings in the winter. Artificial fibers can't do that yet. I'm sure somebody's working on it, but they can't. They're also not absorbent, so if you sweat they won't pull the moisture off, it'll stay with your shirt and you'll feel somewhat sticky. Wool can absorb a pretty good amount of water before it starts to feel wet and loses it's effectiveness in heating you. Also, acrylic is often really, really bad with static electricity.

Acrylic is an inferior fiber in many ways, but it does have the advantage of being a fraction of the cost of natural wools. If you're on a budget, might be worth grabbing an acrylic sweater at a kohls or whatever for $15 and seeing if it works alright for you.
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post #8 of 14
11/26/11 at 5:02pm
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^^^
Thanks for that. Youve actually sold acrylic for me, even though they have drawbacks they have their uses as well.
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post #9 of 14
11/27/11 at 12:10am
The intended use of the sweater should also be determining factors for construction and price of the sweater.
When you say cold weather, how cold are you talking about specifically ?
Will you be exposed to sub zero for prolonged periods of time (example- work, shoveling snow, long walks) ?
Will this be worn primarily indoors with short walks outdoors (example- office worker wanting rugged style) ?
Do you actually work on a submarine, u-boat or some other underwater vehicle ?
If the latter, are you mostly seated? or do you perform rigorous physical activities (example- loading torpedos, engine rm, etc) ?

Wool will retain body heat more efficiently if you sweat or get wet. Whichever material(s) you choose, wear a snug undershirt or T-shirt under the sweater.
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post #10 of 14
11/27/11 at 5:32am
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no, i dont work on submarine. I am more into wearing it for walks in winter in London on days out really. With a coat on. What would the t shirt need to be made out of, is cotton ok? Or are the ones in mountain shops made of polyester good t shirts to wear under a submariner.?
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post #11 of 14
11/27/11 at 9:15am
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Is this one too dear?

Thanks for the link - I just pulled the trigger on this!
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post #12 of 14
11/27/11 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by VictorC View Post

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no, i dont work on submarine. I am more into wearing it for walks in winter in London on days out really. With a coat on. What would the t shirt need to be made out of, is cotton ok? Or are the ones in mountain shops made of polyester good t shirts to wear under a submariner.?

The ones in outdoor shops are designed to keep you cool during vigorous exercise. For walking around in winter, I wouldn't recommend them. I would go with a long sleeve cotton tee under that type of sweater, or a standard cotton undershirt.
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post #13 of 14
11/27/11 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by cptjeff View Post

The ones in outdoor shops are designed to keep you cool during vigorous exercise. For walking around in winter, I wouldn't recommend them. I would go with a long sleeve cotton tee under that type of sweater, or a standard cotton undershirt.

Oh i see, i always thought if you work up a sweat with cotton, the cotton gets wet and stays wet so could potentially make you feel cold and that why i never considered cotton in winter. Whereas the polyester in mountain shops wick the sweat away from your body, plus polyester t shirts dont really get wet, so you dont feel wet and cold. That is what i thought the science behind it was in my simplistic way of thinking.
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post #14 of 14
11/27/11 at 5:45pm
another wool one at a reasonable price, although probably not as nice as the north sea one:

http://onlinemilitaria.net/shopexd.asp?id=1005&bc=no
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